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« on: August 07, 2007, 05:40:30 PM » |
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This is a family sedan with all wheel drive 6 speed 270 hp turbocharged 2.3L 4 cyl. I tried one yesterday and it's a kick to drive. The turbo initiation in this sedan is a lot smoother in the MSM. Could you imagine this engine in a Miata?
Rick
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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2007, 06:13:36 PM » |
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Very nice cars, eh? My buddies dad has one and just loves it to death, but he got an early model when they first came out and has the annoying clutch on it. The one I testdrove when my MSM was in for an oil change was a blast, but had the easier clutch to modulate.
That motor would be great in a miata, if it werent for it being so heavy.
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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2007, 07:30:11 PM » |
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"So heavy"? How do you figure? It's the same engine architecture as the current miata uses, as well as basically every other four cylinder Ford or Mazda currently produced. Aluminum block vs the iron block in the BP engine that powers our Miatas. There would definitely be issues with installing one into an NA or NB Miata, but weight is really not one of them.
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2007, 07:51:38 PM » |
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"So heavy"? How do you figure? It's the same engine architecture as the current miata uses, as well as basically every other four cylinder Ford or Mazda currently produced. Aluminum block vs the iron block in the BP engine that powers our Miatas. There would definitely be issues with installing one into an NA or NB Miata, but weight is really not one of them.
That iron block weights a ton compared to what we have in our cars! |
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2007, 08:00:23 PM » |
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The motor that we have in our cars is that Iron block. The MZR engine thats currently in the new miatas, speed 6 and 3 are aluminum. Its much lighter than the BP motors.
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Engine: custom 3 inch downpipe and exhaust. dual feed fuel rail. Deatschwerks 300 lph fuel pump. Thompson oil filter relocation kit, Koyo 37mm radiator with FM Sg 2 airflow kit, artech tubular manifold with turbosmart external wastegate, and BNR Evo X 16g upgraded turbo.
Suspension, Tires , Brakes and stiffining: fatcatmotorsports single adjustable bilsteins 600F/375R, Racing beat 31.5mm front sway bar, Chikara wilwood caliper conversion kit in front, 15x8 ATS Complites wrapped in 225/50/15 or 949 6ul 15x9 with toyo r888, extra front and rear subframe braces, hard dog m2 sport roll bar
Tranny: clutch override switch, 3.636 final drive with OS Giken limited slip, miataroadster tall short shift kit
Other mods: Blitz Duall turbo timer W/ boost gauge, AEM uego wideband.
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2007, 08:14:11 PM » |
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The motor that we have in our cars is that Iron block. The MZR engine thats currently in the new miatas, speed 6 and 3 are aluminum. Its much lighter than the BP motors.
this is surprising....I've only heard the exact opposite. That our motors are MUCH lighter than the new motors in the MS3 and MS6 |
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2007, 06:57:45 PM » |
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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2007, 07:05:08 PM » |
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So apparently the mazda articles don't feel the need to mention block material...but at least here is the ford one for the Duratec/MZR being aluminum. If I had more time tonight I'd find you an article mentioning the BP being Iron block too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Duratec_engine#Duratec_23 |
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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2007, 07:16:27 PM » |
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Spring & Fall: 05 Mazdaspeed Miata (Lava) #540 of 1428 - TurboXS MBC, FM Intake & TB, GFB recir BOV, Rear Poly Bushings, Voodoo Magnum Shift Knob, Prosport Boost Gauge, eBay Catless DP, eBay intercooler, Real OPG & Linear Temp Mod, Mishimoto Radiator, FM Stage 1 Fan kit, Alutec Rear Strut Tower Brace, Custom LED 3rd brake light
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Summer: 05 Kawasaki ZX6-R (Blue Streak)
For Fun: 02 Suzuki Quad King 300 4x4 w/ plow
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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2007, 07:24:00 PM » |
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So apparently the mazda articles don't feel the need to mention block material...but at least here is the ford one for the Duratec/MZR being aluminum. If I had more time tonight I'd find you an article mentioning the BP being Iron block too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Duratec_engine#Duratec_23Yea I look that up myself as well and I talked to awr racing here in san diego. I asked them about the weight since they are the only one seriously working on the MZR motors. One of the tech guys said they actually never weighed the engines but the MZR is a bigger engine so it could be as heavy as a BP motor since the motors on the speeds are 2.3 liters and taller than the BP. Oh BTW (off topic) they were able to push out 267rwhp N/A on c8 gasoline on their 2.3 motor for their mx-5 drift car. I just wished that they didn't have to have all that crap around the engine bay because that engine has so much potential since ford cosworth makes parts for that motor and I wonder what it do boosted. |
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Engine: custom 3 inch downpipe and exhaust. dual feed fuel rail. Deatschwerks 300 lph fuel pump. Thompson oil filter relocation kit, Koyo 37mm radiator with FM Sg 2 airflow kit, artech tubular manifold with turbosmart external wastegate, and BNR Evo X 16g upgraded turbo.
Suspension, Tires , Brakes and stiffining: fatcatmotorsports single adjustable bilsteins 600F/375R, Racing beat 31.5mm front sway bar, Chikara wilwood caliper conversion kit in front, 15x8 ATS Complites wrapped in 225/50/15 or 949 6ul 15x9 with toyo r888, extra front and rear subframe braces, hard dog m2 sport roll bar
Tranny: clutch override switch, 3.636 final drive with OS Giken limited slip, miataroadster tall short shift kit
Other mods: Blitz Duall turbo timer W/ boost gauge, AEM uego wideband.
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2008, 04:03:52 PM » |
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im not a fan of turbo charged aluminum blocks -.-
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MODS - Hydra Nemesis, Garrett GT28r, custom intake, chopped/custom FM downpipe, Borla full exhaust, Supertech pistons 8.8-1 cr, crs-5230 H-beam rods, titanium valve springs/retainers, SS +1mm intake valves, Inconel +1mm exhaust valves, greddy oil catch, greddy intercooler, HKS manifold, ARP studs in all places, port and polished cylinder head, Exedy stage 2 six puck clutch disk, fidanza 8 pound flywheel, mounted laptop for hydra control, Falken Azenis RT-615, Earl's Prolite series hoses, Gates Racing Kevlar timing belt, Samco sport radiator hoses, custom oil cooler, MSM leather seats(!), Optima Battery.
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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2008, 12:14:50 AM » |
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well i can tell you guys.. its an awesome car i love mine to death and it's a lot of fun to drive.  |
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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2008, 04:03:56 AM » |
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oh and the new msm will have the ms6/ms3/cx7 engine in it.. detuned of course  |
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