Presenting '90MSM!

[mr_hyde]

One of our member had an unfortunate encounter with a clueless driver and ended up with a sad MSM.  As I have mentioned in a few threads, I'm retiring the MSM from track duty and building an NA to handle my most angry driving.  I had originally planned on this being a 1.6 turbo but Ken's misfortune provides opportunity for the soul of his MSM to live on in even greater glory!  I also happen to know a guy who has already successfully put a MSM into an NA!  This project will be significantly easier since I won't be bothering with interior or any of the other pleasantries such as emissions or air conditioning.

I present, '90MSM!


The build should be mostly complete by spring.  Stage 1 is dismantling the wreck into useful parts for the build and for resale.  Please don't send me any requests for parts at this time.  There will certainly be several bits parted out but they will be a bit later in the fall once I've wrapped my head around the scope of things - you will see normal FS threads following forum rules, etc.  If you start pestering me for parts, you'll get the passenger headlight mailed to you!

Stage 2 will be returning the Black MSM to civilized condition - stock seats, no door bars, stock ECU, stock turbo, stock DP/exhaust unless I find a deal in the meantime.  The only significant performance upgrades on the MSM that will stay will be the stainless Boss Frog bar, frame rails and the 3.63 gears.

Stage 3 will be stripping down the NA - I'll be using the '90 I got last winter for the teenager.  She's grown fond of the 'dead' Smurf that is actually running like a top on the same 'bad clutch' and 'bad engine' it came with.

Stage 4 will be assembling the NA with the MSM drivetrain and supporting go-fast-without-blowing-up bits.  I'll be putting some rods in the engine prior to stage 4 so it can get frisky with the boost.  ~300whp should be possible with the upgraded IHI and the right supporting hardware - almost all of which I already have on the Black MSM.  No matter what, this will be a very interesting winter.  Stay tuned!  

Side note/edit:  This was the beginning of my thought process on the matter.  See post #52 for several related links to various stages in these projects.   http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24287.0.html
-h

[Traveler]

Wow, big things happening at your place.  And yes, there's a little cosmetic piece I'm dying to ask for, but I don't want that passenger headlight showing up on my front porch!  I'll be watching the for sale section.  Hope that your disassembly, mod-reversal, strip-job, and build all go well!

[bigx5murf]

sounds like a massive project, remember to keep an updated build thread for those of us who wanna watch, good luck!

[mr_hyde]

Well, I don't think I'm going to be able to save the intercooler!  I did get to the front of the engine before I ran out of sawzall blades. The water neck is broken and the sway scraped up the crank pulley but everything else important is fine so far.  I hope to have this stage torn down in a few weeks with the MSM neutering done by thanksgiving. It's a shame out black twins won't ever chase each other around a track Traveler, but if I got any more aggressive next season my MSM would have looked a lot like this one eventually
-h

[MiataMan]

WOW that's what I'm dreaming of.......To buy a MSM that has been in a accident and put the engine,trans rear end and the brakes on a 90-91 Miata

This will be a fun project to follow

[VolCrew]

Looking forward to seeing this project progress.

[mr_hyde]

Here are some pics of the carnage after a bunch of mangledness was removed.  I will be starting a proper pictorial build thread in the other section.  Of of the reasons we don't like tons of pictures outside of the 'Pictures/Video' section is for the benefit of folks on slow internet connections like a phone who don't want to accidentally click on a thread that locks up their device trying to load pictures.
-h

[mr_hyde]

I just looked up the vin on the database.  Chassis #606 born 2/16/04 which is just 10 days before ex mrs_hyde2.0's VR.  It occurred to me, I'm on the title for that car too.  Am I the first crazy in the world to own 3 MSMs at the same time? 

Edit:  I should go borrow her car and then text her a picture of #606 a few hours later!    What's the use of having ex wives if you can't have a little fun with them? 
-h

[Maduh]

In for this thread! Good luck! Best of both worlds! MSM drivetrain and NA parts availability!

['95MSM]

WOW that's what I'm dreaming of.......To buy a MSM that has been in a accident and put the engine,trans rear end and the brakes on a 90-91 Miata

This will be a fun project to follow

Just in case you can't stand the suspense:
http://www.miata.net/motm/2008/brandt.html
Or turn to several pages in Keith Tanner's latest book.

[newold_m]

Good luck!  Looking forward the progress..

[mr_hyde]

This project will be much less involved than '95MSMs. Mechanically, they will be very similar but mine will have a very basic electrical system, no AC or PS and a stripped interior. If something horrible were to happen to my original MSM, I would be looking for a clean NA chassis to do the 'real' transplant in. I'm digging deep into stage 1 already!
-h

[broken]

Awesome project Hyde.     I'll pull up a chair.

I've dreamed of using the engine and running gear from an MSM for a Lotus 7 ''clone''.  Or Locost 7. 

['95MSM]

I tried to push him in the direction of a LoCost with Wred (wrecked red), the lightly front-end damaged 1.6, but it wasn't in the cards.  It would have been way more expensive than what he is going to do with WredII.

Some ideas just take longer to take root and flourish?

[mr_hyde]

If I had $15 to $20k in play money to goof around with, I would put an LS3 in an NB chassis.  The net cost of what I have planned will be extremely low by the time I sell off all the extra parts from the 3 cars (as long as I don't account for my time  ).  It will be nice to have a slightly junky yet functional '91 for the teenager, a beautiful near stock MSM for me to drive on nice days and a raw, uncivilized NA track beast making Porsche drivers mutter bad words as they stick their left arm out the window again and again. 
-h