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mr_hyde
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Midlife Crisis on Wheels!


« on: October 08, 2011, 06:36:05 AM »

One of our member had an unfortunate encounter with a clueless driver and ended up with a sad MSM.  As I have mentioned in a few threads, I'm retiring the MSM from track duty and building an NA to handle my most angry driving.  I had originally planned on this being a 1.6 turbo but Ken's misfortune provides opportunity for the soul of his MSM to live on in even greater glory!  I also happen to know a guy who has already successfully put a MSM into an NA!  This project will be significantly easier since I won't be bothering with interior or any of the other pleasantries such as emissions or air conditioning.

I present, '90MSM!


The build should be mostly complete by spring.  Stage 1 is dismantling the wreck into useful parts for the build and for resale.  Please don't send me any requests for parts at this time.  There will certainly be several bits parted out but they will be a bit later in the fall once I've wrapped my head around the scope of things - you will see normal FS threads following forum rules, etc.  If you start pestering me for parts, you'll get the passenger headlight mailed to you!

Stage 2 will be returning the Black MSM to civilized condition - stock seats, no door bars, stock ECU, stock turbo, stock DP/exhaust unless I find a deal in the meantime.  The only significant performance upgrades on the MSM that will stay will be the stainless Boss Frog bar, frame rails and the 3.63 gears.

Stage 3 will be stripping down the NA - I'll be using the '90 I got last winter for the teenager.  She's grown fond of the 'dead' Smurf that is actually running like a top on the same 'bad clutch' and 'bad engine' it came with.

Stage 4 will be assembling the NA with the MSM drivetrain and supporting go-fast-without-blowing-up bits.  I'll be putting some rods in the engine prior to stage 4 so it can get frisky with the boost.  ~300whp should be possible with the upgraded IHI and the right supporting hardware - almost all of which I already have on the Black MSM.  No matter what, this will be a very interesting winter.  Stay tuned!  afro

Side note/edit:  This was the beginning of my thought process on the matter.  See post #52 for several related links to various stages in these projects.   http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24287.0.html
-h
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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top
BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  reddevil

2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

1991 BRG - Daughter's daily driver.
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2011, 07:30:23 AM »

Wow, big things happening at your place.  And yes, there's a little cosmetic piece I'm dying to ask for, but I don't want that passenger headlight showing up on my front porch!  I'll be watching the for sale section.  Hope that your disassembly, mod-reversal, strip-job, and build all go well!
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05 Black Mica, #917/1428        FM Full Intake w/ 02 Sig Mod, eBay Intercooler 28x5.5x2.5, FM springs, 949 endlinks, Speedhut boost gauge (w/ "mazdaspeed" script), Boss Frog Double Hoop Maxx rollbar finished in Black Mica, 15x9 6ULs and 15x7 Rota RBs, Thompson Oil Filter Relocation, visor blanking plates, Thompson Nautilus horn, Audiovox cruise control w/ oem cruise stalk, the cool '04 red/black interior, clear/smoked front side markers, 4-way functional and turnsignalling side markers.
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2011, 09:04:48 AM »

sounds like a massive project, remember to keep an updated build thread for those of us who wanna watch, good luck!
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2011, 09:05:02 AM »

Well, I don't think I'm going to be able to save the intercooler!  I did get to the front of the engine before I ran out of sawzall blades. The water neck is broken and the sway scraped up the crank pulley but everything else important is fine so far.  I hope to have this stage torn down in a few weeks with the MSM neutering done by thanksgiving. It's a shame out black twins won't ever chase each other around a track Traveler, but if I got any more aggressive next season my MSM would have looked a lot like this one eventually Sad
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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top
BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  reddevil

2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

1991 BRG - Daughter's daily driver.
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2011, 02:10:01 PM »

WOW that's what I'm dreaming of.......To buy a MSM that has been in a accident and put the engine,trans rear end and the brakes on a 90-91 Miata Shocked

This will be a fun project to follow afro
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2011, 02:10:54 PM »

Looking forward to seeing this project progress.
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2011, 03:57:22 PM »

Here are some pics of the carnage after a bunch of mangledness was removed.  I will be starting a proper pictorial build thread in the other section.  Of of the reasons we don't like tons of pictures outside of the 'Pictures/Video' section is for the benefit of folks on slow internet connections like a phone who don't want to accidentally click on a thread that locks up their device trying to load pictures.
-h

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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top
BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  reddevil

2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

1991 BRG - Daughter's daily driver.
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2011, 04:29:45 PM »

I just looked up the vin on the database.  Chassis #606 born 2/16/04 which is just 10 days before ex mrs_hyde2.0's VR.  It occurred to me, I'm on the title for that car too.  Am I the first crazy in the world to own 3 MSMs at the same time?  Grin

Edit:  I should go borrow her car and then text her a picture of #606 a few hours later!  cheesy cheesy cheesy  What's the use of having ex wives if you can't have a little fun with them?  Tongue
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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top
BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  reddevil

2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

1991 BRG - Daughter's daily driver.
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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2011, 05:28:27 PM »

In for this thread! Good luck! Best of both worlds! MSM drivetrain and NA parts availability!
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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2011, 04:31:38 AM »

WOW that's what I'm dreaming of.......To buy a MSM that has been in a accident and put the engine,trans rear end and the brakes on a 90-91 Miata Shocked

This will be a fun project to follow afro
Just in case you can't stand the suspense:
http://www.miata.net/motm/2008/brandt.html
Or turn to several pages in Keith Tanner's latest book.
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'05 running gear + '95 body
3.63 ring & pinion FM content: Blouch compressor mod, FM-Link, i/c & no-MAF intake.   BEGi: Stainless SGDP w/ metal core performance cat.   Custom stuff: Compressor clocked downward w/ new i/c pipe, big radius throttle elbow, 2.5" mid-pipe w/ Hushpower II, dual 2" axle-back w/ open Supertrapps, Toyota 4 pc cop ignition

245.2 whp on default FM-Link maps (with OEM midpipe)
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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2011, 06:03:01 AM »

Good luck!  Looking forward the progress..
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2011, 07:35:31 AM »

This project will be much less involved than '95MSMs. Mechanically, they will be very similar but mine will have a very basic electrical system, no AC or PS and a stripped interior. If something horrible were to happen to my original MSM, I would be looking for a clean NA chassis to do the 'real' transplant in. I'm digging deep into stage 1 already!
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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top
BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  reddevil

2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

1991 BRG - Daughter's daily driver.
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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2011, 11:26:07 AM »

Awesome project Hyde. afro    I'll pull up a chair.

I've dreamed of using the engine and running gear from an MSM for a Lotus 7 ''clone''.  Or Locost 7.  laugh

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2004 MSM #256,Ti, GT, hard top, MRSS, Custom Shift Knob, BF Clearview, L.E.B. 115db horn, SH boost/vac gauge, SH shift light, Hallman Pro RX. Valentine One w/remote display.  FM O2 Mod.  FM dp, Corksport 80mm catback. Motorcraft synthetic trans fluid.  Larger  FMIC (Ebay),  FM intake kit, Innovate A/F gauge, Innovate water temp gauge 
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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2011, 02:54:14 PM »

I tried to push him in the direction of a LoCost with Wred (wrecked red), the lightly front-end damaged 1.6, but it wasn't in the cards.  It would have been way more expensive than what he is going to do with WredII.

Some ideas just take longer to take root and flourish?
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'05 running gear + '95 body
3.63 ring & pinion FM content: Blouch compressor mod, FM-Link, i/c & no-MAF intake.   BEGi: Stainless SGDP w/ metal core performance cat.   Custom stuff: Compressor clocked downward w/ new i/c pipe, big radius throttle elbow, 2.5" mid-pipe w/ Hushpower II, dual 2" axle-back w/ open Supertrapps, Toyota 4 pc cop ignition

245.2 whp on default FM-Link maps (with OEM midpipe)
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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2011, 03:22:08 PM »

If I had $15 to $20k in play money to goof around with, I would put an LS3 in an NB chassis.  The net cost of what I have planned will be extremely low by the time I sell off all the extra parts from the 3 cars (as long as I don't account for my time  shockeyes ).  It will be nice to have a slightly junky yet functional '91 for the teenager, a beautiful near stock MSM for me to drive on nice days and a raw, uncivilized NA track beast making Porsche drivers mutter bad words as they stick their left arm out the window again and again.  laugh
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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top
BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  reddevil

2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

1991 BRG - Daughter's daily driver.
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