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« on: July 26, 2013, 06:57:24 AM » |
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I Installed my frame rails a few weeks ago and I took some pictures. Tools needed: Drill 5/16" bit Sockets/Wrenches Ratchet Ratchet Extension Safety Glasses Start by raising your car, please exercise caution  This bolt needs to come off so we can remove cross brace, we will not be putting it back on  A view of the driver's side  … and it's out  Now we remove the brake and fuel lines  This brace looks bent, I don't know if it's supposed to be that way. Needs to be removed also  Use a 14mm  And a 17mm  I don't think you have to, but I removed this bolt so I could move the lines when installing the rails  I didn't notice there is this bracket all the way in the back, heads up if you're installing  To insert the rails, you have to scoop the lines this way:  Then push the rails in to place  EXTREMELY IMPORTANT ! The alignment is critical so be careful, it's pretty easy once you are there, but only drill when you are 100% confident:  Drilling time!  No turning back now...  I drilled the Right side bolt first, then the left  I tightened the bolts without rubberized undercoating first  Here's where you use the extension (unless you have a buddy to help)  Both of these are 5/16"  Almost at the end, make sure the bolts are on nice and tight!  This is what the last hole looks like  A shot from the top  And we're done with the passenger side!  The other side should be much faster and easier, hit the holes with rubberized under coating and you're done!  I haven't installed the brackets for the lines yet but I will update as soon as I get a chance. Also, I haven't put the cross brace back either FYI. |
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Lokiel
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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2013, 07:38:24 AM » |
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MINX helped me with my install and pointed out that I should drill the brake line brace hole out to the correct size before I fitted it to the car since it's much easier to do then. Not sure if this is still an issue with the FM rails so check first.
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Ti Aussie "SE" (cannot be called "MazdaSpeed" here, "speed/performance" badging encourages reckless driving apparently), DIY AutoTune MS3-Pro ECU, Borg-Warner EFR6258, NitroDann custom manifold+3"exhaust+CAI, Injector Dynamics 1000cc injectors, GM D514A CNPs, 83.5mm coated CP pistons, K1 rods, Fab9 350HP intercooler, ported Squaretop Intake Manifold, Skunk2 Throttle Body, ATi Super Damper, '95MSM SpeedHut Boost Gauge Mod, GREDDY Remote Oil Filter Relocation with Thermostat, Setrab Oil Cooler, BC Racing BR Series coilovers (8/6kg), 1.125" Racing Beat Tubular Sway Bar + Al Braces, 949racing SuperMiata end links, Carbing 3-pt shock tower brace, Nickel 6UL 15x8s, Toyo R1Rs 225/45/15, Wilwood Front BBK, SS Brake Lines, FM Frame Rails, Boss Frog "Frog Arms", MX5 Plus Twin Hoop Roll Bar, MiataRoadster long-angled SSK, Piano-Black Voodoo Knob&HandBrake, Innovate MTX-L Wideband O2 gauge+sensor, Lotus Probax seats + lots of "goes faster" chrome bling (since chrome reflects light, less of the colour spectrum is absorbed, making the car lighter - "pseudo-science"  ). Build Thread: http://mx5cartalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=41091 |
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bigx5murf
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2013, 08:44:24 AM » |
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I'd like to add remember to separate, the supplied bolts by length before hand, the shorter ones go on the side with the lines.
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mr_hyde
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2013, 06:19:32 AM » |
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Other advice on basic technique:
1. Drill the first hole and insert a bolt with a nut finger tight then move to the next hole. Repeat this until all the holes are drilled and you won't have to worry about reaming out a hole that doesn't line up.
2. Once all the holes are done, take the bolts out and do some rustproofing on the bare metal. Rattle can first and undercoating once dry is best.
3. Once the rustproofing is dry, reposition the rail and reinstall the bolts with a generous bead of silicone. It will seal and serve as threadlocker. Torque the nuts to spec realizing the OEM undercoating will compress a bit.
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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe. Nice and calm with an edge... 1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates. 1991 BRG - Daughter's daily driver. |
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thomsoad
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2013, 12:39:43 AM » |
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So I gotta ask...
How much of a difference are we talking about in handling?
The MSM is as stiff as the factory made the car...is it that much of a difference?
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Previous MSM: 2004 TI; FM LE; Falken FK452s Current MSM: GT Mica; SUSPENSION/TRANSMISSION: 215/45/17 Pilot Super Sports; Tein Street Advance Coilovers; FM Happy Meal Level 1 System; GarageStar door bushings; MR short shifter ENGINE: FM Wiseco Pistons; Carrillo A rods; ARP studs; ATI Super Damper; Mazdaspeed competition motor mounts; oversized intake valves, oversized Inconel exhaust valves, ACL Race bearings , FM valve springs; 700CC Deatschwerks injectors: NGK plugs; Magnecor 8.5s . PERFORMANCE UPGRADES: Upgraded Blouche turbo, FM Intake, FM full Exhaust, FM Intercooler ECU: Hydra 2.7 MISCELLANEOUS: Autometer Boost Gauge; Audiovox CCS-100 cruise control, Motorcraft transmission fluid, Mobil 1 differential fluid, Castrol Platinum Synthetic Motor oil. DYNOPACK RESULTS: WHP: 256 @ 6141 rpm TORQUE (lb/ft): 267.0 @ 4105 rpm BOOST (PSI): 15.46 @ 4120 rpm 14.00 @ 3750 rpm My MSM: Street...with attitude. |
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Maduh
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2013, 02:23:40 AM » |
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So I gotta ask...
How much of a difference are we talking about in handling?
The MSM is as stiff as the factory made the car...is it that much of a difference?
When i did mine I barely noticed a difference. The best part is now I have a great jack point instead of the pinch welds. But recently I've been running without the oem butterfly bracing and don't notice a difference. I wonder if that means the oem butterfly brace does nothing, or the frame rails compensate enough to not notice a difference. |
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RIP #361 05' Black Mica Mazdaspeed mx-5, swap in progress to 1999 Miata Base. Follow my build thread here: http://tinyurl.com/pwtx3f9 |
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Lokiel
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2013, 03:02:34 AM » |
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When I jack up my car on one corner, the other wheel on that same side gets airborne MUCH earlier than it used to so it must be doing something.
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Ti Aussie "SE" (cannot be called "MazdaSpeed" here, "speed/performance" badging encourages reckless driving apparently), DIY AutoTune MS3-Pro ECU, Borg-Warner EFR6258, NitroDann custom manifold+3"exhaust+CAI, Injector Dynamics 1000cc injectors, GM D514A CNPs, 83.5mm coated CP pistons, K1 rods, Fab9 350HP intercooler, ported Squaretop Intake Manifold, Skunk2 Throttle Body, ATi Super Damper, '95MSM SpeedHut Boost Gauge Mod, GREDDY Remote Oil Filter Relocation with Thermostat, Setrab Oil Cooler, BC Racing BR Series coilovers (8/6kg), 1.125" Racing Beat Tubular Sway Bar + Al Braces, 949racing SuperMiata end links, Carbing 3-pt shock tower brace, Nickel 6UL 15x8s, Toyo R1Rs 225/45/15, Wilwood Front BBK, SS Brake Lines, FM Frame Rails, Boss Frog "Frog Arms", MX5 Plus Twin Hoop Roll Bar, MiataRoadster long-angled SSK, Piano-Black Voodoo Knob&HandBrake, Innovate MTX-L Wideband O2 gauge+sensor, Lotus Probax seats + lots of "goes faster" chrome bling (since chrome reflects light, less of the colour spectrum is absorbed, making the car lighter - "pseudo-science" ). Build Thread: http://mx5cartalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=41091 |
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MSMzer04
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2013, 08:41:18 AM » |
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I finished this just 2 weeks ago but I have been too lazy to post pictures and stuff lol... will do it tomorrow, hopefully  Since I already had the carpet out, I felt like installing some sound deadening material to the inside, then I felt like installing new speakers on the parcel shelf. I found I am not the only one that has done this when installing frame rails. Not sure if I should post the sound deadening/speakers install here :/ |
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gregmiata
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2014, 01:25:58 AM » |
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Not sure if I should post the sound deadening/speakers install here :/
I'm a couple weeks from doing this and would love hear what you did! |
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2004 Ti - #360
Supreme Enchilada:
15G compressor wheel upgrade, BEGi intake/TBI, ebay intercooler, SGDP, FM MSM midpipe and muffler, Reverent built Megasquirt, 650cc injectors, MBC
Suspension: FM V-maxx classic coilovers
Wheels/tires: 16" Rota Grid in Full Royal Sports Bronze w/ Federal 595rsr
Other mods: MR stock height SSK, PLX DM-100 touch multi gauge with afr, boost, and oil temp modules, black center console trim, Fusion MA-205 head unit, air bag switch relocated to glove box with cubby storage replacement, USB and aux audio module replacing lighter location, full sound and vibration deadening throughout cabin
Pending: door speakers, door sound treatment
Future: cruise, 3.63 gears
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MSMzer04
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2014, 01:51:46 AM » |
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Here’s a little more information on what I used for sound deadening and insulation: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24159.105.html As far as the speakers go, I couldn't be happier. I tried to post a "how to" shortly after my install but I was a little burned out from all the work, never got motivated to post it lol If I can find the pictures I will try to post that "how to" again |
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greenhat
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2014, 05:46:19 AM » |
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my frame rails were just satin finished SS, when did they go blue, is there any difference?
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bigx5murf
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2014, 06:25:25 AM » |
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I think OP had them painted, or powder coated that color. No difference since the SS doesn't corrode anyway.
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MSMzer04
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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2014, 07:56:26 AM » |
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That's correct, had a bottle of Torque N' Teal lying around and decided to waste it on my Frame Rails. Powdercoating would be really cool now that I think about it  |
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