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« on: June 29, 2007, 08:08:06 PM »

Quote from: Element Tuning;18514912
We actually make a specific version for the Miata Hydra so make sure you purchase your Hydramist through Flyin Miata or direct from Element Tuning.  If you email us your map we can put in the basic settings for you.

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(stolen from nasioc)

so.. is this true?  i've never seen it on the website!
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2007, 10:14:05 PM »

I bugged Jeremy about the Hydramist at one time before going the FM II route.  He told me the Hyrdamist is still in the testing phase and there is no word on when it will be available for sale.  Cry
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2007, 01:46:13 AM »

Before buying my Hydra I explicitly asked Jeremy if there was anything unique about the miata Hydra.  He said that there was nothing unique about it other than the wiring harness.

Hydra's website indicates that there are two versions, one normal (ours) and one for drive-by-wire.

Why even bother with a Hydramist?  Just get another WI system and control it with one of the spare Hydra outputs.  I can't see why FM wouldn't divulge which pins in the harness are available for other uses.
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2007, 12:44:55 PM »

because the hydramist is already setup, fully integrated into hydra (more so than other systems that'd you'd have top figure out on your own), has more safety features than anything out there
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2007, 01:44:59 PM »

Looks like a really cool system!  I wonder if Dave (Wrathchild) has any experience with this system?
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2007, 01:51:28 PM »

for those who haven't read about it:

Quote from: Element Tuning;15267010


The Element Hydramist was developed from the beginning to be the ultimate water/methanol injection with uncompromised performance, control, and safety.  The Hydramist is a fully integrated water/methanol injection solution controlled via the Hydra EMS. This system allows full 3D mapping of water flow based on load and rpm, automatic map switching, and unparalleled protection never seen before in any water/methanol injection system. When we first set out to develop a water/methanol injection system we discovered very quickly the limitations of most universal systems in that they rarely offered precise control over the injection or the failsafe mechanisms were insufficient at protecting the engine when failure occurred.  To help develop a superior system for the Hydra EMS Element Tuning worked with the industry leader in water/methanol injection systems, Aquamist. 

I'll continued to add to this first post as time permits. 

Here is the Hydramist Installation Guide:

http://www.elementtuning.com/Hydramist/hydramistguide.htm

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Quote from: Element Tuning;15267017
Assign 3D PWM Map 11 as your Hydramist HSV map.  This map is load vs. RPM and the values denote duty cycle of the HSV for a given boost and rpm. The load and rpm sites are 0% to 100% and signify the minimum and maximum range in your fuel map.  So if the greatest boost level in your fuel and spark maps are 31 PSI then the 100% load site = 31 psi.  Element Tuning customers can be provided with this map.



Caution!

When a boost and rpm level is reached in this map and the HSV has a duty cycle higher than 10% this will automatically activate the Hydramist pump.  If within 2 seconds the Hydramist Water Flow sensor does not register water flow on the Hydramist DDS3 gauge the system will automatically revert back to the regular fuel and spark maps in the Hydra EMS.

While the Hydramist is active fueling is controlled by the Fuel Auxiliary Trim Map.  This map is a function of the main fuel map.  At the desired boost and rpm point you will use this map to subtract fuel from your main fuel map.  Element Tuning customers can be provided with this map.



Caution!

It's important to reduce fuel in this map only when water flow is realized.  So if your Hydramist turns on at 10 psi do not remove fuel until after 10 psi.  This map shows 2 degrees of timing added into the idle areas.  This was used just for testing to ensure the map switching operation was functional.
While the Hydramist is active ignition timing is controlled by the Spark Auxiliary Trim Map.  This map is a function of the main spark map.  At the desired boost and rpm point you will use this map to add ignition timing to your main spark map.  Element Tuning customers can be provided with this map.
   


Caution!

It's important to add ignition timing into this map only when water flow is realized.  So if your Hydramist turns on at 10 psi do not add ignition timing until after 10 psi.  This map shows 2 degrees of timing added into the idle areas.  This was used just for testing to ensure the map switching operation was functional.



To activate your Hydramist system you must press (red) the "on" button.  When "on" the Hydramist is active and your Auxiliary Maps are enabled. If within 2 seconds of your HSV injecting water flow is not realized then the Hydra will revert to the standard fuel and spark maps.  When the Hydramist DDS3 Diplay Gauge is "off" the Hydra reverts to the standard fuel and spark maps.

W.Injection = Display's when system is on

Water Level = Illuminates when water level is low.  Pump will be turned off

Flow =  Shows flow from water flow sensor

B = Illuminates when Hydra Auxiliary Maps are enabled

SC = Adjusts the range of flow display

WL = Water flow low fault

WH = Water flow high fault

Thanks,
Phil
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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2007, 02:09:24 PM »

Subscribing to this one. I have to wonder if anyone here hasnt given it a shot yet. I googled it to fine any users of other hydra platforms using it but didnt have any luck
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2007, 03:58:13 PM »

I'll PM Dave (Wrathchild) and see what he knows about this from his Subby background.
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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2007, 07:31:45 PM »

Subscribing to this one. I have to wonder if anyone here hasnt given it a shot yet. I googled it to fine any users of other hydra platforms using it but didnt have any luck

Cause it has a $799 price tag.
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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2007, 09:03:08 PM »

i was very close to ordering it, but fell upon a used turbo instead
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2007, 12:50:28 PM »

i was very close to ordering it, but fell upon a used turbo instead

So, you bought a used turbo!?!  Is it going to find it's way to Blouch per chance?
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2007, 10:32:26 AM »

i was very close to ordering it, but fell upon a used turbo instead

So, you bought a used turbo!?!  Is it going to find it's way to Blouch per chance?

No, a used T25 from a SR20DET... it's gonna find it's way to an FM manifold and downpipe  afro
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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2007, 03:02:57 PM »

Sounds like a fun project, be sure to keep us up to date on your progress.
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