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« on: March 12, 2010, 08:49:26 PM »

I ordered a set of 15X8 6UL wheels from Good-win-racing.com w/the 54.1 hub centering rings and want to put 205/50/15 tires on them (MSM is with stock suspension for now). I have searched and I believe I saw members with this combo on the MSM. Emillo w/949racing said the 205/50/15 would work. But here is the issue, I was speaking with someone about mounting them and they said they won't fit. I'm hoping they are incorrect.

Anyone with 6UL 15x8 wheels and 205/50/15 tires running on the MSM right now?
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Engine: full Deadbolt turbo upgrade (all options) / AWR Engine Mounts 70 durometer / FM Stage II Cooling Fans / Koyo 37mm Aluminum Radiator with Koyo 18.5 PSI cap / FM Oil Cooler / Snow Performance Stage II Meth Injection w/safe Injection device / Full FM Intake kit (MAF delete)/ Hallman Pro RX MBC / Turbosmart Kompact VTA BOV w/filter / 28"x6.5"X2 3/8" FMIC / Mazda turbo PCV/ Magnecor 8.5mm Wire Set / Braille B3121 21lbs battery / BeatRush radiator cooling panel / BeatRush aluminum under panel / Red Line full synthetic 10W-30 oil
Fuel: 550cc R.C. Injectors / Walbro 255 LPH Fuel Pump
Transmission: 2001 5 Speed Tranny with Miata Roadster short shifter and Motorcraft Full synthetic XT-M5-QS fluid
Differential: Red Line Syn 75W90 / Energy Suspension differential mount bushings
Clutch: ACT Xtreme ZM2-XTSS / SS braided clutch line
Exhaust: FM Downpipe with Magnaflow cat back exhaust
Brakes: DRT slotted rotors / EBC “Red Stuff” pads / Goodridge SS lines
Engine management: Hydra 2.6 ECU w/wideband
Suspension: Tein Flex coil-overs Front 392lb/in / Rear 336lb/in
Tires: Hankook Ventus RS3 225/45/15
Wheels: 949racing 15x8 6UL nickel
Gauges: AutoMeter #3401 Boost / AutoMeter #4355 Water temp / AutoMeter #4356 Oil Temp / Snow Performance Water-Meth gauge / AEM WB gauge attached to a UEGO WBO2
Interior: Hard Dog DD M2 Sports Bar // Lo-Tek Dual Gauge A pillar
Exterior: Shark Attack II antenna / LLumar window tinting (30%F/20%R)
Protection: Passport Escort 9500ci w/ laser shifting
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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2010, 09:50:45 PM »

The centering rings are unnecessary but since you already bought them...
I suppose the 205 will fit (it fits on a 7" so it shouldn't be that big of a stretch) but why are you so set on that tire size?  225/45 or 50 would be a better choice.  I never understand this whole going backwards scenario when it comes to purchasing new sized tires!  You just bought wheels specifically for a bigger tire and you want to run a width that most people are trying to get away from!  Odd!  rolleyes
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2010, 11:02:34 PM »

The centering rings are unnecessary but since you already bought them...
Ya, my bad on the centering rings but no big deal.

My Harts are showing there age and I always wanted to try 15" on the MSM. I've always admired the 6UL's 15x8 wheels and for the quality the price is right. My problem is finding a 225/45/15 tire that meets my requirements. I need something that can be used for DD and sometimes in heavy rain. I also would like to stay in the 200 tread wear area. I found the Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec in 205/50/15 and they seem to fit my needs.
The only 225/45/15's I can find don't seem to meet my needs. I don't believe the Nitto NT01's you are running would work for me on either requirement. Other than that what I can find are the Toyo R1R's and the Hankook Ventus R-S3 and there tread wear is a bit on the light side. If I did go with the 225/45's it would probably be the Toyo R1R's.
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2004 MSM TI #1725 /228RWHP 236TQ on a Mustang Dyno (estimated 251RWHP on a Dynojet dyno) NOTE – this was at 12 PSI boost now running 15 PSI
Engine: full Deadbolt turbo upgrade (all options) / AWR Engine Mounts 70 durometer / FM Stage II Cooling Fans / Koyo 37mm Aluminum Radiator with Koyo 18.5 PSI cap / FM Oil Cooler / Snow Performance Stage II Meth Injection w/safe Injection device / Full FM Intake kit (MAF delete)/ Hallman Pro RX MBC / Turbosmart Kompact VTA BOV w/filter / 28"x6.5"X2 3/8" FMIC / Mazda turbo PCV/ Magnecor 8.5mm Wire Set / Braille B3121 21lbs battery / BeatRush radiator cooling panel / BeatRush aluminum under panel / Red Line full synthetic 10W-30 oil
Fuel: 550cc R.C. Injectors / Walbro 255 LPH Fuel Pump
Transmission: 2001 5 Speed Tranny with Miata Roadster short shifter and Motorcraft Full synthetic XT-M5-QS fluid
Differential: Red Line Syn 75W90 / Energy Suspension differential mount bushings
Clutch: ACT Xtreme ZM2-XTSS / SS braided clutch line
Exhaust: FM Downpipe with Magnaflow cat back exhaust
Brakes: DRT slotted rotors / EBC “Red Stuff” pads / Goodridge SS lines
Engine management: Hydra 2.6 ECU w/wideband
Suspension: Tein Flex coil-overs Front 392lb/in / Rear 336lb/in
Tires: Hankook Ventus RS3 225/45/15
Wheels: 949racing 15x8 6UL nickel
Gauges: AutoMeter #3401 Boost / AutoMeter #4355 Water temp / AutoMeter #4356 Oil Temp / Snow Performance Water-Meth gauge / AEM WB gauge attached to a UEGO WBO2
Interior: Hard Dog DD M2 Sports Bar // Lo-Tek Dual Gauge A pillar
Exterior: Shark Attack II antenna / LLumar window tinting (30%F/20%R)
Protection: Passport Escort 9500ci w/ laser shifting
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2010, 11:08:52 PM »

The Hankooks would probably last as long as a set of Azenis. Your right foot also plays a significant role in the longevity of the tires.

I'd definitely go 225 if I was going for the 6ULs.
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2010, 11:19:34 PM »

Your right foot also plays a significant role in the longevity of the tires.
And there's the rub, my right foot.....  Grin
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2004 MSM TI #1725 /228RWHP 236TQ on a Mustang Dyno (estimated 251RWHP on a Dynojet dyno) NOTE – this was at 12 PSI boost now running 15 PSI
Engine: full Deadbolt turbo upgrade (all options) / AWR Engine Mounts 70 durometer / FM Stage II Cooling Fans / Koyo 37mm Aluminum Radiator with Koyo 18.5 PSI cap / FM Oil Cooler / Snow Performance Stage II Meth Injection w/safe Injection device / Full FM Intake kit (MAF delete)/ Hallman Pro RX MBC / Turbosmart Kompact VTA BOV w/filter / 28"x6.5"X2 3/8" FMIC / Mazda turbo PCV/ Magnecor 8.5mm Wire Set / Braille B3121 21lbs battery / BeatRush radiator cooling panel / BeatRush aluminum under panel / Red Line full synthetic 10W-30 oil
Fuel: 550cc R.C. Injectors / Walbro 255 LPH Fuel Pump
Transmission: 2001 5 Speed Tranny with Miata Roadster short shifter and Motorcraft Full synthetic XT-M5-QS fluid
Differential: Red Line Syn 75W90 / Energy Suspension differential mount bushings
Clutch: ACT Xtreme ZM2-XTSS / SS braided clutch line
Exhaust: FM Downpipe with Magnaflow cat back exhaust
Brakes: DRT slotted rotors / EBC “Red Stuff” pads / Goodridge SS lines
Engine management: Hydra 2.6 ECU w/wideband
Suspension: Tein Flex coil-overs Front 392lb/in / Rear 336lb/in
Tires: Hankook Ventus RS3 225/45/15
Wheels: 949racing 15x8 6UL nickel
Gauges: AutoMeter #3401 Boost / AutoMeter #4355 Water temp / AutoMeter #4356 Oil Temp / Snow Performance Water-Meth gauge / AEM WB gauge attached to a UEGO WBO2
Interior: Hard Dog DD M2 Sports Bar // Lo-Tek Dual Gauge A pillar
Exterior: Shark Attack II antenna / LLumar window tinting (30%F/20%R)
Protection: Passport Escort 9500ci w/ laser shifting
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2010, 11:30:42 PM »

I'm not advocating the Nitto as a DD but I have over 2 dozen AutoX runs on them and over 1000 street miles and they barely look worn.  In the wet (on course) they worked better than any "street" tire available!  By wet I mean not flooded!  When the rain was light and the track had zero puddles the Nitto was brilliant!  When it got deep I spun the car 400+ degrees and was the most out of control I've ever been!  The extra width of a 225 is more than worth it so I would chose the Hankook and throw caution to the wind regarding longevity.  Tires are expendable and you want the most out of them you can get.  You might have to buy two sets rather than one over the course of time but in the end I bet you'll have a bigger smile on your face!   afro
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2010, 11:45:07 PM »

Over 1000 street miles and they barely look worn.
Grin I can put over a 1K miles on my MSM in a month if I'm not out of town on business.
The extra width of a 225 is more than worth it so I would chose the Hankook and throw caution to the wind regarding longevity.  Tires are expendable and you want the most out of them you can get.  You might have to buy two sets rather than one over the course of time but in the end I bet you'll have a bigger smile on your face!   afro

Ya I guess I'm searching for the "holy grail" to meet the requirements I set in my head. I believe you all are correct and I think I'll go with the 225/45/15 Hankook's.
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2004 MSM TI #1725 /228RWHP 236TQ on a Mustang Dyno (estimated 251RWHP on a Dynojet dyno) NOTE – this was at 12 PSI boost now running 15 PSI
Engine: full Deadbolt turbo upgrade (all options) / AWR Engine Mounts 70 durometer / FM Stage II Cooling Fans / Koyo 37mm Aluminum Radiator with Koyo 18.5 PSI cap / FM Oil Cooler / Snow Performance Stage II Meth Injection w/safe Injection device / Full FM Intake kit (MAF delete)/ Hallman Pro RX MBC / Turbosmart Kompact VTA BOV w/filter / 28"x6.5"X2 3/8" FMIC / Mazda turbo PCV/ Magnecor 8.5mm Wire Set / Braille B3121 21lbs battery / BeatRush radiator cooling panel / BeatRush aluminum under panel / Red Line full synthetic 10W-30 oil
Fuel: 550cc R.C. Injectors / Walbro 255 LPH Fuel Pump
Transmission: 2001 5 Speed Tranny with Miata Roadster short shifter and Motorcraft Full synthetic XT-M5-QS fluid
Differential: Red Line Syn 75W90 / Energy Suspension differential mount bushings
Clutch: ACT Xtreme ZM2-XTSS / SS braided clutch line
Exhaust: FM Downpipe with Magnaflow cat back exhaust
Brakes: DRT slotted rotors / EBC “Red Stuff” pads / Goodridge SS lines
Engine management: Hydra 2.6 ECU w/wideband
Suspension: Tein Flex coil-overs Front 392lb/in / Rear 336lb/in
Tires: Hankook Ventus RS3 225/45/15
Wheels: 949racing 15x8 6UL nickel
Gauges: AutoMeter #3401 Boost / AutoMeter #4355 Water temp / AutoMeter #4356 Oil Temp / Snow Performance Water-Meth gauge / AEM WB gauge attached to a UEGO WBO2
Interior: Hard Dog DD M2 Sports Bar // Lo-Tek Dual Gauge A pillar
Exterior: Shark Attack II antenna / LLumar window tinting (30%F/20%R)
Protection: Passport Escort 9500ci w/ laser shifting
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2010, 01:54:04 AM »

Thanks for posting this topic... (pause to allow sarcasm to sink in), I have been dying for 6uls for the longest time and recently figured I should just be conservative and buy tires for my stock harts because I was set on Star Specs and can't get them in a good 15' size and it will be much cheaper. Now I look up the hankooks and say to myself oh thats not a bad price and the reviews have been good on those.. great now I'm likely to blow my entire tax return on this setup.  cheesy
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2010, 02:25:41 AM »

Hankook R-S3 will kick ass everywhere, but in heavy, heavy rain. In rain, they'll do OK. I DD'd mine between events throughout last summer.
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2010, 02:56:38 AM »

Since your suspension is stock, why not go for a 225/50/15? Many more DD friendly tires in that size.
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2010, 03:25:03 AM »

OR, if you don't ever really want to drive in the rain...

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiresB.jsp?type=T&tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Sport+Cup&partnum=25YR5SPORTCUP&cat=Tires%20-%20225/50-15%20-%20SIZE%20SEARCH
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2010, 05:35:51 PM »

A performance 205 50 15 will fit fine, as performance tires run wider than economy or touring tires.

I put 15x8 with wide 205 50 15s on my NA, and they fit great.  I moved this set up to my NB when I got it--but the more powerful NB would benefit from wider tires. 
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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2010, 07:21:30 PM »

I just swapped mine out to 205 50 15 from a 225 45 15.  There is a stretch but it is not noticeable at all unless you really get up and look for it.  I went with the Kuhmo AST specifically for tread wear.  I replace the RS2s that were on there bc they lasted me almost 10 months and 15k.  I love that I have an 8 inch rim but I need longer lasting tires.  I really would like a 225 that has a tread wear of 300+ but that is wishful thinking.  If I was to start racing again I would go back to the RS3 now since RS2 is not available. 
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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2010, 09:12:57 PM »

I just odered the Hankook 225/45ZR/15 Ventus R-S3 tires. Unfortunately they are not going to ship until March 26th, Oh well.
Thanks to all who participated in the the Q & A session  Grin

I just swapped mine out to 205 50 15 from a 225 45 15. 

Thanks I thought they would, but I'm going to shuck tire life out the window  Grin
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2004 MSM TI #1725 /228RWHP 236TQ on a Mustang Dyno (estimated 251RWHP on a Dynojet dyno) NOTE – this was at 12 PSI boost now running 15 PSI
Engine: full Deadbolt turbo upgrade (all options) / AWR Engine Mounts 70 durometer / FM Stage II Cooling Fans / Koyo 37mm Aluminum Radiator with Koyo 18.5 PSI cap / FM Oil Cooler / Snow Performance Stage II Meth Injection w/safe Injection device / Full FM Intake kit (MAF delete)/ Hallman Pro RX MBC / Turbosmart Kompact VTA BOV w/filter / 28"x6.5"X2 3/8" FMIC / Mazda turbo PCV/ Magnecor 8.5mm Wire Set / Braille B3121 21lbs battery / BeatRush radiator cooling panel / BeatRush aluminum under panel / Red Line full synthetic 10W-30 oil
Fuel: 550cc R.C. Injectors / Walbro 255 LPH Fuel Pump
Transmission: 2001 5 Speed Tranny with Miata Roadster short shifter and Motorcraft Full synthetic XT-M5-QS fluid
Differential: Red Line Syn 75W90 / Energy Suspension differential mount bushings
Clutch: ACT Xtreme ZM2-XTSS / SS braided clutch line
Exhaust: FM Downpipe with Magnaflow cat back exhaust
Brakes: DRT slotted rotors / EBC “Red Stuff” pads / Goodridge SS lines
Engine management: Hydra 2.6 ECU w/wideband
Suspension: Tein Flex coil-overs Front 392lb/in / Rear 336lb/in
Tires: Hankook Ventus RS3 225/45/15
Wheels: 949racing 15x8 6UL nickel
Gauges: AutoMeter #3401 Boost / AutoMeter #4355 Water temp / AutoMeter #4356 Oil Temp / Snow Performance Water-Meth gauge / AEM WB gauge attached to a UEGO WBO2
Interior: Hard Dog DD M2 Sports Bar // Lo-Tek Dual Gauge A pillar
Exterior: Shark Attack II antenna / LLumar window tinting (30%F/20%R)
Protection: Passport Escort 9500ci w/ laser shifting
_________________________________________________________
My other car – 2013 Mustang GT Premium w/track package /FRPP ProCal Tune / 6MT w/Barton Shifter & 2 post bracket & shift knob / American Thunder Axle Back / Eibach Pro Springs / BMR Adjustable PHB / JLT oil separators / K&N air filter / Sound Tube delete / Stubby Antenna
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