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« on: September 19, 2010, 01:49:13 PM »

My MSM is sitting at Logan's Roadhouse, dead battery (i left the headlights on), alarm system is clicking (I think the horn might be sounding if not for the fact that I changed the horn a couple years ago, which changed the horn's interaction with the security system).  Tried jumping the car, it gets power, but trying to start it with jumper cables only causes the full alarm to sound, car will not start.

I'm about to head back up there and try the other key, which someone suggested on an earlier thread.  I hate that its sitting up there with windows down, alarm system clicking away.  If you can help or offer ideas, please call my cell, 478.960.1121 (I'm Darryl).  Or my cousin, JehuLava, will be checking this thread, but only occasionally (he's kinda busy with a puppy buyer this afternoon) if you prefer to just post here.

THANK YOU for any help!  help  help
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2010, 02:11:53 PM »

You say alarm

The factory thing or do you have an aftermarket unit??

Sounds to me like you need to reset the alarm after you have power to the car.  I used to have this problem with the Viper alarm in my Dad's truck if the battery went dead.  Restore power, press alarm key a few times until the alarm turned off and acted nice, then started truck.
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2010, 02:16:11 PM »

Larry - no aftermarket alarm; neither key fob will start car; just a series of quiet beeps and clicks (immobilizer?).  When he turns the key to "ON" position, the clicking speeds up.
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2010, 02:33:02 PM »

This is a friend using traveler's sign in.  His cousin is going to be mostly unavailable, so call Darryl at 4789601121 with help. Thanks guys
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2010, 03:23:32 PM »

Okay, it's me, I'm back home, but the MSM is still dead at the restaurant.

I tried the alarm button on the key fob several times, nothing worked.  I disconnected the battery for a while, reconnected it, tried jumping it again, tried the alarm button, nothing worked.  I started wondering about a dead battery in the key fob (could that affect the starting sequence?), but both keys do the same (probably wouldn't die at the same time) : hitting the lock and unlock buttons causes the door lock levers to jerk a bit, but they don't move all the way to the lock position - they remain unlocked.

I did at least put the windows up while I had the jumper cables connected, and then disconnected the battery again so that it's not sitting up there all day with the security system clicking away.

If no one has any other ideas, I guess I'll have it towed to the house (i don't like the idea of it being towed!), and then I don't know what.

By the way, how should it be towed?
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2010, 03:41:11 PM »

I'm wondering if you don't have a blown fuse.

Think I remember a fuse that goes to lots of strange things.

ROOM comes to mind but I'll try looking at the diagrams and see if I can remember.

Flat bed is the best.

BTW, if you still have front hooks don't let them hook the winch to those.

Make sure the attach under the car to the frame or even into the holes in the a frame on not on the steering rods.
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2010, 04:24:59 PM »

In the pdf tech files, i've located the ROOM fuse - 22.  I'll check that one when I get back up there to the car this evening.
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2010, 04:38:38 PM »

While my key transmitter seems to partly work (door locks jerk but don't actually lock, no other functions work at all), is it possible that they somehow got "un-programmed" for my car, thus blocking ignition?  If so, or if anything similar, would the procedures shown in replies 4 and 8 of the following thread be helpful?
http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,8249.0.html

If not, I don't want to somehow end up de-programming them on accident!
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2010, 04:39:25 PM »

That fuse goes to the immobilizer and to the PCM and also the trunk light relay.   shockeyes

When you had a battery connected to the car did you notice if the trunk lights came on??

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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2010, 04:55:11 PM »

did not notice.  will check!
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2010, 05:12:37 PM »

The immobilizer doesn't sound like it is part of your issue here.  If it were, the car would crank, fire and then die immediately.  Dead batteries can do all sorts of crazy things.  After you verify all the fuses, I would take the battery home and put it on a trickle charger overnight.  A freshly charged battery and all fuses verified should be the starting point for the troubleshooting.  Good luck!
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2010, 06:45:07 PM »

h may have a point.  Your connecting the car to another car with jumper cables.  Are the cables decent heavy duty cables or are they tiny spaghetti thickness cables.  The voltage drop over a cable can be amazing.
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White Knight    1991 Crystal White   #99 CSP
Silver Bullet     1992 Silverstone     #17 SM2  FM I+ Turbo  (Gone but not forgotten)
Honey B          1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2 J.R. M45
Whooosh         2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5  #403 of 4000
Subie              2006 Steel Gray WRX STi Cobb Stage 2 (Gone but not forgotten)
No name yet    2008 Velocity Yellow Tintcoat Z06 Corvette
No Name yet    2014 Ashen Grey Metallic Camaro 2SS 1LE

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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2010, 07:44:14 PM »

OK guys, I had never noticed that my battery says "Mazda High Performance" and "Genuine Miata Battery."  This then is the original battery installed late 2004. I'm thinking it has been blessed with a long life.  Would you agree that that lifespan indicates I just need to go buy a new battery and hopefully solve the problem?  However, if someone knows that the stock batteries usually last longer than six years I will simply try to re-charge this one. BTW - the ROOM fuse is good.
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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2010, 07:52:42 PM »

Miata batteries can last a real long time.  If it were me I wouldn't be junking it.  Charge it 24-48 hours at a 1-2 amp rate and see what happens.  I still have the original battery in my MSM and I bought my car in April 2004.
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White Knight    1991 Crystal White   #99 CSP
Silver Bullet     1992 Silverstone     #17 SM2  FM I+ Turbo  (Gone but not forgotten)
Honey B          1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2 J.R. M45
Whooosh         2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5  #403 of 4000
Subie              2006 Steel Gray WRX STi Cobb Stage 2 (Gone but not forgotten)
No name yet    2008 Velocity Yellow Tintcoat Z06 Corvette
No Name yet    2014 Ashen Grey Metallic Camaro 2SS 1LE

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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2010, 07:59:19 PM »

Remember if you decide to replace it get the right style battery.  You want to avoid a wet acid battery.  The OEM unit is an AGM style.  If you go to the dealer the replacement unit they sell you is a wet acid.

The Westco is a AGM.  AutoZone sells an AGM unit.  Some of the other parts stores don't.
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4 Miatas but who's counting!!   Cool

White Knight    1991 Crystal White   #99 CSP
Silver Bullet     1992 Silverstone     #17 SM2  FM I+ Turbo  (Gone but not forgotten)
Honey B          1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2 J.R. M45
Whooosh         2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5  #403 of 4000
Subie              2006 Steel Gray WRX STi Cobb Stage 2 (Gone but not forgotten)
No name yet    2008 Velocity Yellow Tintcoat Z06 Corvette
No Name yet    2014 Ashen Grey Metallic Camaro 2SS 1LE

“There are only three sports: mountain climbing, bull fighting, and motor racing. All the rest are merely games.”
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