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« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2011, 10:25:20 PM »

If you keep the ghetto look as much as you can stand, it will get under the skin of the Porsche drivers even more. Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2011, 05:07:31 PM »

Making some progress!  afro

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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2011, 06:05:13 PM »

When do you plan on making a thread to sell off stuff you won't be using?
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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2011, 06:21:07 PM »

hyde- This is AWESOME!  I'm looking forward to see the results!  afro
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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2011, 12:34:38 AM »

When do you plan on making a thread to sell off stuff you won't be using?
I should be starting with that tonight.  Stay tuned!  afro
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BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

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2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2011, 08:42:26 AM »

BitRusty and I are doing something similar - we both have NB track pigs that can't be registered and we have sourced a couple of SE/MSM manifolds, turbos and exhausts to slap on!

Your project looks awesome!
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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2011, 08:07:42 AM »

I made some more progress on this tonight.  Engine/transmission, wiring harness, front sub frame and the whole interior is out.  It will be ready for the sawzall this weekend!   afro
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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top
BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  reddevil

2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2011, 03:34:12 PM »

I'm still considering being the first guy (fool? LOL) to trade my MSM motor for a similar or less mileage na motor from a new Miata.   shockeyes
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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2011, 04:46:36 PM »

new NA? why?
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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2011, 05:12:52 PM »

I'm still considering being the first guy (fool? LOL) to trade my MSM motor for a similar or less mileage na motor from a new Miata.   shockeyes
I'm confused.  You don't like the turbo?  If that's the case, I'd recommend selling the low-mile MSM and using the proceeds to buy a low mile SE from '00 through '02.  If you take the MSM engine (turbo) out of an MSM, it will lose a bunch of value before you begin to consider how slow it would be...  sad1
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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top
BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  reddevil

2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

1991 BRG - Daughter's daily driver.
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« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2011, 07:59:02 PM »

I'm still considering being the first guy (fool? LOL) to trade my MSM motor for a similar or less mileage na motor from a new Miata.   shockeyes
I'm confused.  You don't like the turbo?  If that's the case, I'd recommend selling the low-mile MSM and using the proceeds to buy a low mile SE from '00 through '02.  If you take the MSM engine (turbo) out of an MSM, it will lose a bunch of value before you begin to consider how slow it would be...  sad1

So I suspect you are talking "na" as in a "naturally aspirated" MZR engine from the "new miata" (NC)?  I think "NA miata" and "naturally aspirated" are possibly confused here?

I can see the draw from a stock to stock comparison, the MZR makes similar power and flatter torque band (no spool up), but the benefits of a simple intake and exhaust set up on the MSM will get you to way above the MZR output.  If you wanted to go more extreme and bolt on a SC and a new flash for the MZR, then I agree with Hyde, sell the MSM and buy a used NC Miata.

But an MZR engine in a NB chassis seems like it not really be the best way to go.  Maybe if you had a base NB miata and really hated the NC styling that much.  But to yank all the turbo stuff out of the MSM and then swap in an MZR will very likely cost you much more then simply selling a stock MSM and buying a used NC miata.


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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2011, 03:52:55 AM »

If you trade an MSM engine for an MZR, both of you will likely be very disappointed unless you have non-Miata homes for both engines.  The MZR is a completely different engine.  It will not mate to any NA or NB transmission and has the intake and exhaust sides reversed. 
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3.63 ring & pinion FM content: Blouch compressor mod, FM-Link, i/c & no-MAF intake.   BEGi: Stainless SGDP w/ metal core performance cat.   Custom stuff: Compressor clocked downward w/ new i/c pipe, big radius throttle elbow, 2.5" mid-pipe w/ Hushpower II, dual 2" axle-back w/ open Supertrapps, Toyota 4 pc cop ignition

245.2 whp on default FM-Link maps (with OEM midpipe)
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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2011, 05:53:27 PM »

If you trade an MSM engine for an MZR, both of you will likely be very disappointed unless you have non-Miata homes for both engines.  The MZR is a completely different engine.  It will not mate to any NA or NB transmission and has the intake and exhaust sides reversed. 

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I was pretty sure the MZR won't simply drop in, but I didn't know the specifics of why, thanks for the info!
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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2011, 10:52:11 AM »

Mr. H:  Have you considered seam welding the NA.  It would add considerable stiffness.
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« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2011, 11:20:58 AM »

Mr. H:  Have you considered seam welding the NA.  It would add considerable stiffness.


Good point, now would be the time to do it if your really building it as a track car.  Your going to do a cage so your going to probably gut it anyway, get it welded.  Put Mark to work.    laugh
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