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mr_hyde
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« Reply #45 on: January 06, 2012, 07:40:05 AM »

I was very excited to find that the brake lines from the '04 fit perfectly into the '90 so the ABS will be ready with no fabrication of the hydraulics.  After discussing 949's experience at the 25 hours of Thunderhill with Sonny where we saw Crusher send a caliper piston into the rotor with ABS, I have decided to put the whole ABS system on a simple toggle switch.  Normally, I'll run with it off but in the rain or an unusual situation, it is just a flick of a switch away. 

I have already put on both sub-frames from the NB as well as the Energy Suspension Bushing loaded control arms, the sport brakes and Xidas.  Oooohhh...  This is going to be fun!  When people ask me what I'm trying to build I say a Spec Miata with wider tires, better suspension, bigger brakes, aero and 300whp.  angel1

I'm going to assemble the short block next week - forged pistons so I can let the boost wander into the high teens without worrying about aerating the block.





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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top
BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  reddevil

2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

1991 BRG - Daughter's daily driver.
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« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2012, 08:06:56 AM »

Impressive cage, looks on par with those made by blackbird fab worx.  What color you gonna paint it?
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« Reply #47 on: January 06, 2012, 02:58:04 PM »

Why do the brakes wear faster with ABS?  I had read the 949 threads about Thunderhill and never fully understood.
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FM full intake, FM DP and Exhaust, AFCO Shocks (550/400 lb springs), FM O2 Modifier, Hallman MBC with in-cabin controller, Stewart-Warner Boost Gauge, HDHCDD with Harness Bar, RB 1.125" Front Sway Bar, E-bay Delta Fin 27x7x2.5 FMIC, Ultra-Shield Rally Sport seats, Carbotech XP-12/10 pads, SS Brake Lines, PLX DM-100 Multi-Gauge, FM Crossflow Radiator, Spal Fans, FM Oil Cooler, custom in-dash oil pressure warning LEDS, i-Shift LED shift lights, 15x9 bronze 6UL track tires, COT NASCAR wing, DIY front splitter, fully ducted radiator.
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« Reply #48 on: January 06, 2012, 04:24:42 PM »

Looking good..!  Can't wait to see it in person at MRLS..
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« Reply #49 on: January 06, 2012, 05:15:53 PM »

Like the Stones said, I will paint it black.  The ABS wears brakes faster because drivers tend to just push harder on the middle pedal when the brakes get hot. 606 will be 400# lighter than my MSM and will have greatly improved ducting also so it will be better. I will also be putting on a BBK later but is beyond the scope of the budget for now. I have folded XP10s in half on the black car at one stupid local track and the OEM caliper paint is burned off my fronts in places shockeyes
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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top
BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  reddevil

2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

1991 BRG - Daughter's daily driver.
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« Reply #50 on: January 06, 2012, 05:19:08 PM »

Looking good..!  Can't wait to see it in person at MRLS..
I'm going to try to make it!  Bring your car though - I don't think I'll have a passenger seat in yet.  That is way down on the priority list as you probably see from the pictures! cheesy
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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top
BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  reddevil

2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

1991 BRG - Daughter's daily driver.
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« Reply #51 on: January 09, 2012, 07:37:20 AM »

Por15 smells really good.   crazy2  I can't decide if I should a) go find a rave, b) build my shortblock or c) go to bed...





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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top
BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  reddevil

2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

1991 BRG - Daughter's daily driver.
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« Reply #52 on: January 09, 2012, 07:49:38 AM »

Edit - This post directs back to mazda-speed.com threads.  I will embed them below.

Since this has turned into my official build thread, here is the story of where the little NA and I crossed paths...
http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,22710.0.html
and one from m.net:
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=409205&highlight=hyde+motorsports

...and this is where the teenager's Smurf came from - when she finally gets those grades up...
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=431654&highlight=hyde+motorsports

Incidentally, the '92 in the last thread was given to Bob after I realized it had more crash damage than I could repair easily so he got something for his time building the cage.  Another million favors and I'll be paid off...  shockeyes

Here's the final disposition of MSM606  Cry
http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24769.0.html
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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top
BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  reddevil

2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

1991 BRG - Daughter's daily driver.
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« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2012, 08:21:46 AM »

I spent a few hours tonight getting the ABS brick mounted as well as the rest of the brake hydraulics.  The NB ABS brick mounts on a bracket that bolts to the car so that the brick itself can float on a cushion of rubber bushings.  There is one nutplate in the NA that works for this.  The other two mounting points I drilled and tapped M6 1.0 holes.  Here is the final result:








You will also notice that I had to use the wiper motor from the MSM wreck.  The non ABS NA motors intrude into the area occupied by the brick.  Next, I mounted the brake booster, master and clutch master.  In previous pictures they were just set in place.  I took a minute to spray the engine bay where a previous fluid leak had eaten the paint.  Later in the process I'll try to get a rattle can to match the red.



...and the secret weapon.  The thing we all know adds 5whp and drops 3 seconds a lap on every MSM...  The pedal assembly.   Roll Eyes



I bled the brakes down and have a strong pedal.  I'll need to do it again with the booster working and I also need to take it to the dealer to have them 'burp' the ABS system.  Apparently, only the dealer can do it effectively.  I have read about techniques that involve jackstands and lightly applying the brakes with the engine running and some wheels spinning and others stationary so maybe I'll try that first.  Time for bed - I still work for a living too...  laugh

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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top
BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  reddevil

2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

1991 BRG - Daughter's daily driver.
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« Reply #54 on: January 10, 2012, 08:56:51 AM »

Actually, In "Ayrton Senna's principles of race driving", he stated the pedals were crucial to a good driving position, which was the first chapter, and the most important aspect of driving.  He said not every f1 car has a dead pedal, and it's no doubt a fault to not have one.
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« Reply #55 on: January 12, 2012, 07:04:12 AM »

Not much to add today.  I spent some time peeling the ABS wires out of the MSM harness and was continually shocked that OEM tape wrapping jobs are no better than what you or I do when we are working on something.   shockeyes  The ABS sensors I bought do not fit the hub ring so that was disappointing and I'm off to research the part numbers.  I'm getting ready to put the dash back in so I modified the steering wheel lock.  I plan to eventually have all of this wiring pulled out and have nothing but a few toggle switches and a button.  For now, however, I'm going to use as much of the OEM harness as I can to minimize variables when I get to the troubleshooting stage.  Since I will eventually be running around without a key, I wanted to disable the lock before I put it back in.

Instructions are vague and surprisingly rare but essentially you drill out the little cover opposite of the column itself and a spring falls out.  The step I took that I didn't read about is to put a dab of JB Weld on the lock mechanism the spring was formerly pushing into the lock position.  I don't want it rattling around and deciding to lock into position at speed since the key won't be there to hold it out.  Note:  This is an early NA column.  I don't know if the NB mechanism is different but the NA steering shaft and knuckle bolted right up to the NB rack pinion that was in the black car previously.
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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top
BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  reddevil

2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

1991 BRG - Daughter's daily driver.
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« Reply #56 on: January 13, 2012, 07:42:55 AM »

Nothing too exciting today.  I picked up the block from the machine shop and assembled the bottom end.  Everything came out perfectly - plastigauge was consistent 2 thousandths across the rotating parts and the thrust was smack in the middle of the specs.  My cheap Ebay rods were 466g each - identical.  Should be a strong motor.  Since there isn't a future ex-mrs_hyde in the house currently, I'm allowed to work on the engine in the dining room.  I took a vote of everyone who contributes to the mortgage, pays utilities and buys groceries.  It was unanimous...   laugh
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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top
BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  reddevil

2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

1991 BRG - Daughter's daily driver.
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« Reply #57 on: January 13, 2012, 08:09:55 AM »

you're building the block yourself?  I've heard there were many specialized tools needed to do this.
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« Reply #58 on: January 13, 2012, 12:54:52 PM »

I am glad that you posted what you got with the plasticgauge. I am in the middle of rebuilding my engine and I got the same reading that you have but every thing that I have read on line say that the spec are .0008-.0014 for the mains and .0008 -.0017 for the rods. I was worried that I had too much clearance.
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« Reply #59 on: January 13, 2012, 05:36:57 PM »

you're building the block yourself?  I've heard there were many specialized tools needed to do this.
I put it together with a friend who has build hundreds of motors. You need the right lubes and a good torque wrench. Gapping the rings was careful work and the tool to compress the rings for installation is specialized but not too expensive.  Otherwise, just keep things clean and torque to spec and it's not bad at all.
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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top
BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  reddevil

2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

1991 BRG - Daughter's daily driver.
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