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« Reply #375 on: September 30, 2014, 04:25:09 AM »

Do you find that the cooler drains itself when you're changing the oil? As in you don't have to undo all the fittings?

I'd like to mount mine such that it self drains. I'll refill it by cranking without fuel/spark to build some pressure before starting.

I don't feel comfortable describing it as 'draining' but a bunch does leak out the filter mount when you change it.  The majority of the filter is at an elevation higher than the sandwich plate.  I think a certain amount of old oil mixing with the new is to be expected but if it was a concern, I would just crack the AN and drain it manually.
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« Reply #376 on: September 30, 2014, 10:40:32 AM »

Do you find that the cooler drains itself when you're changing the oil? As in you don't have to undo all the fittings?

I'd like to mount mine such that it self drains. I'll refill it by cranking without fuel/spark to build some pressure before starting.

I don't feel comfortable describing it as 'draining' but a bunch does leak out the filter mount when you change it.  The majority of the filter is at an elevation higher than the sandwich plate.  I think a certain amount of old oil mixing with the new is to be expected but if it was a concern, I would just crack the AN and drain it manually.

Could possibly find a cooler that has a drain plug as well.

I was digging through our parts stock the other day and found a transmission cooler for an Eaton-Fuller 10 speed.  Its about the same footprint as other large coolers I've seen, but the fins are huge, about 1 1/4 thick, and the coils look quite large, I'd say 3/8" or so.  I'm going to take a look at adapting one to my car.  I'll have to buy my own from a truck shop, but should be able to get a discount.  Haven't decided what to use it for but oil cooler seems like a good plan.  I already have a cheap but sufficient P/S cooler setup.

If anyone is interested in what I'm talking about:
http://www.roadranger.com/ecm/groups/public/@pub/@eaton/@roadranger/documents/content/rr_apsl-0021.pdf

On the first page basically.  Large HD oil cooler, but with JIC ends on it.  I can make JIC hoses w/90 s easily for it, as I did my power steering system.
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« Reply #377 on: September 30, 2014, 10:48:17 AM »

I've always thought the quest to make sure an oil cooler is completely drained at an oil change is overkill.  Your leaving at worst a few ounces of oil in there and adding at least 4 new quarts.  The amount of old to new is insignificant and it's not like the oil has been in there 5 years and 20k miles.  Most of the people stressing over getting every last drop out of the system probably are changing their synthetic oil every few thousand miles anyway and the oil probably really doesn't even need changing.
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« Reply #378 on: September 30, 2014, 01:41:59 PM »

I'm not obsessed about getting it 100% empty, just hoping to find a way to not have to undo the AN fittings.

Hyde's arrangement seems like there would be some old oils in the lines, but the cooler should be near empty.

The only way it could be better would be to have the sandwich plate's AN fittings on a slope so the lines can drain, too, but the space constraints might make that impossible.
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« Reply #379 on: September 30, 2014, 04:02:07 PM »

I caught up on the thread and man, Brian... I don't have words.   afro

Now to figure out how to make this oil cooler placement work with MSM's charge pipe routing.
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« Reply #380 on: October 01, 2014, 06:25:44 AM »

True, it would be a packaging nightmare with a more traditional charge pipe route.  I suppose with longer lines and a few 90s you could make anything happen but I wanted to minimize length and the quantity of fittings to keep things simple.
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« Reply #381 on: October 23, 2014, 07:56:03 PM »

A word of advice:  When you are going through the gears and at the top of 4th going ~95mph and then hit 3rd instead of 5th, make sure you have forged pistons.  This happened Saturday at Laguna.  shockeyes  I finished the day, drove all day Sunday and did 3 more days at local tracks turning personal best times at each before driving into the garage under its own power.  It ran fine except for a bit of smoke and the compression in #2 was ~105#.  The block might get by with just a hone although a small overbore would do it for sure.  Time for some Supertechs!!!   drivingss



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BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
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2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

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« Reply #382 on: October 24, 2014, 12:19:54 AM »

Did you hear anything to indicate that failure or was it just a momentary over rev?
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« Reply #383 on: October 24, 2014, 12:40:41 AM »

Wow!
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« Reply #384 on: October 24, 2014, 04:41:06 PM »

I assume you let the clutch all the way out before you realized what happened.
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« Reply #385 on: October 25, 2014, 06:18:43 AM »

I was chasing the laptimer to the checkered flag and a car in front of me let off which broke my concentration a bit but I kept my foot in it.  I wasn't shifting gently and getting out of rhythm caused me to slam third instead of 5th and yes... the clutch came all the way out.  I don't know how much downforce the COT wing generates at the top of 4th gear but it is certainly enough to keep the rear wheels stuck to the ground.  I saw the tach swing past 6 o'clock...   shockeyes 
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« Reply #386 on: June 30, 2015, 06:15:54 AM »

Happy 2015!  The winter rebuild took until the summer solstice but I'm happy to say '90MSM is track ready again.  Things took a really, really, really long time but there were some pretty nice tidying up that happened.

The motor was pretty easy.  The machine shop took the block out to 83.5 to make room for the smallest Supertechs but he thinks it would have actually cleaned up enough for OEM size despite the #2 piston blowing up.  He also cleaned up the head and said it should be fine which was nice I didn't need to use my spare for the build.  I put in new bearings although the ones that came out looked pretty good.  The build only had about 5k miles on it - all at redline on the track - so it help up pretty well overall.  The previous ebay rods went back in and I don't see me needing anything different.


Pretty shortblock!

I spent the requisite week lapping the valves installing different shims to get the lash to within spec.  Always fun (NOT!):


If you have been reading, you will remember '90MSM had the Mazdaspeed engine harness stuffed in on top of the entire NA6 harness including such nonsensical wires for Airbags, AC, and door buzzers plus all the 1.6 engine wires no longer needed.  In December, I started cutting.  13 pounds of wires later...







Armed with an NA6 and MSM wiring diagram, a diagram for the Adaptronic, a set of wire cutters and a soldering iron, I paired down the entire harness to a trio of 12 port Molex connectors.  Now, I can split the engine harness from the ECU, the ECU from the car and all of the above from the dash and swithes.  Things are simplified and everything works so far.  Out all the wires I only made one small error with the NA6 fan switch that was easily corrected.

It took months, but I got both cars back in the garage.



And finally back on the dyno.



We developed a miss near the end of the dyno session.  It turned out to be the MAP sensor which promptly failed at the track the next morning before I even had my helmet on.  I didn't turn a lap but I've got my fingers crossed for early July!
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« Reply #387 on: July 01, 2015, 01:39:21 PM »

Congrats on getting everything back together!  It's looking very good.  afro
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« Reply #388 on: July 01, 2015, 02:53:46 PM »

Is the MAP sensor internal to the Adaptronics  ECU???
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« Reply #389 on: July 02, 2015, 07:40:15 AM »

Is the MAP sensor internal to the Adaptronics  ECU???
No, it is external - just a garden variety GM 3 bar.  The schedule at the track day was unusual and by the time I diagnosed the problem, I had missed two sessions.  If I had found one locally, I would have missed the 3rd session at least.  Not going out allowed me to make a no-nonsense appeal to the organizer for a raincheck.  If I had gone out for the last session or two, it would have clouded that request.
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BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  reddevil

2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

1991 BRG - Daughter's daily driver.
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