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mr_hyde
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« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2015, 04:27:08 AM »

I'm minutes off that route.  Give me a call.
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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top
BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
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« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2015, 02:31:09 PM »

After scouring web images it appears that the NA lid may be wider at the rear than the NB. The NB is @ 41 3/4" at the front and only @40" at the rear, right before the cut for the tail light. That may explain why the bases don't want to sit flush with the edge of the NB lid, because it is not square. I think the NA lid may be more of a square.
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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2015, 05:49:41 AM »

So the NA hood is pretty much the same shape on the top, but @7/8" shorter F~R, as is the trunk space. Thank you to mrHyde for allowing me and my measuring devices to invade his garage, so that mystery is solved. Now for the not so good news...
Drilled and mounted the "modified contour" bases on my donor lid to see if that helped with the fitment issues. Not gonna happen without every connection point above the bases being under severe angular and lateral loads. Driver side upper+lower turnbuckle slots are out by a good 1/2", passenger side out by 1/4" and the turnbuckles don't like it. Put the wing upside-down on my dead flat/dead level workbench to see whats what.  The end plates don't line up so it teeters on the table. Laid my digital angle block across the chord only to discover that the wing is actually warped to the tune of 2 degrees from one end to the other. Okay....thats probably not good.
Right about the time my buddy was just finishing the Solidworks design for the new pedestals to address the lid splay issue I realize that something is really amiss with the driver side bracket and after some ingenious measuring/squaring on my part I discover that although the non adjustable brackets are the same distance apart, they form a parallelogram not a rectangle, which initial measurements indicated. So the trunk lid forms a trapezoid and I'm supposed to attach a parallelogram to it....where's Escher when you need him..
So not really happy...but a little bit smarter
Pics and emails sent to the parties involved...hopefully this doesn't turn into another Xida-gate.
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« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2015, 10:24:21 PM »

So a lot of fiddling around with squares and inclinometers later, they are adjusting their foil mounting points  and assembling me a new wing with the updated "Truly Miata Specific" dimensions. We sent them a detailed drawing with some specific lateral and diagonal dimensions required for the mounts, pedestals and brackets to  orient themselves properly once everything is tightened down. For $800+ they should be able to do better than "assemble loosely and tighten and adjust as needed to fit", "adjust" being a simpler way of saying "Force,Twist,Yank,Pull etc. .....Now they just need to do something about getting the bases to fit the lid properly for the next guy.
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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2015, 02:59:42 AM »

Well the new wing showed up Friday. Initial measurements were  fairly close to the specs we provided them. Diagonals were within 1/16" so that's good, solves the parallelogram issue. However the brackets that attach to the wing don't match the contour of the bottom of the wing. If you were to tighten them down the way they came, you would either pull the nutserts out, break the bracket, or punch holes into the wing.  2+ hours of careful grinding on the compound, twisting, ever-changing  radius later and I have them fitting the wing properly. Now when I install it on the pedestals mounted to the deck lid, it fits PERFECTLY! Now it's "Miata Specific"!
  Now I think I know why I found it impossible to find any detailed close-ups of this thing installed on a miata.
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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2015, 01:33:01 PM »

So in other words the APR product is far from being a quality product?
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« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2015, 03:26:42 PM »

Well yes and no. The components themselves seem to be of good quality, just a poor job of execution on the fitment end. Maybe I didn't search long enough and hard enough on the web, but I couldn't anything pertaining to the issues I've found. I guess nobody really took a look at it very hard and just slapped it on the car.
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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2015, 01:31:01 AM »

Success at last! Details in Me and my Aero.
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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2015, 02:20:25 AM »

Looks great!  The trunk lid doesn't look bad either.   afro
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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2015, 02:54:37 AM »

As Brian described his track  car paint job, it's a 50/100....looks great from 50 feet going 100mph. You won't notice a thing once I put the 16" meatball on there, but the paints gotta cure some more before I can put it on.
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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2015, 05:44:29 AM »

'90MSM is a 50/100 paint job.  That is no worse than 5/10 - looks great!  When are you taking it out for a shakedown?  I need to see how the new computer works so I might join you!
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2005 Black Mica #290 8/27/04 w/Factory Hard Top
BEGi Intake, FM Downpipe.  Nice and calm with an edge...

1990 Red - MSM Drivetrain, Adaptronic EMS, Xida 700/400, 15x9 6uls, Full Cage, SGDP w/80mm Corksport exhaust, ~260whp @ 15psi on Forged Rods.  bow2
Build Thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

2000 BMW M5 - The Falcon - Daily Driver  reddevil

2003 E350 7.3 Powerstroke Ambulance for towing '90MSM to play dates.

1991 BRG - Daughter's daily driver.
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« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2015, 02:09:04 AM »

'90MSM is a 50/100 paint job.  That is no worse than 5/10 - looks great!  When are you taking it out for a shakedown?  I need to see how the new computer works so I might join you!
Not sure when I'm going to shake'er'down. May tackle some other mods and just wait 'til March, but who knows...need a sunny day at Pacific or Shelton and we might have to wait a while for that to happen again.
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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2015, 03:02:08 AM »

It figures;
http://www.miataturbo.net/race-prep-75/singul%C3%A4r-motorsports-aero-wing-86624/
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« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2015, 04:11:53 AM »

That was at the Laguna Seca event. Looked well thought out.
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« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2016, 04:39:05 PM »

A word to the wise, if you order a gurney flap for your APR GTC-200 wing make sure they are selling you the right one. There's a 59" version and a 60" version and they are not interchangeable...and none of the retail sites who sell them divulge that important bit of info,...gee, thanks. Who needs a 59" gurney flap cheap?... my return/refund window has closed.
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05 Mica, Sparco Speed, Hard Dog ACE with custom harness bar, Ultrashield 6 point harnesses,FM complete intake, O2 mod, FM downpipe, MR short shifter. Xida 700/400, 3.63 R+P (Spare), 3:9 R+P (current),EWUSA FMIC, Derale hardline delete PS cooler, FM Stage 2 fans w/ OEM connectors, Custom fab IC/Rad ducting, custom cowl intake/heatshield, Ultragauge,Rumblestrip Predictive Lap timer, APR custom mounted rear wing, Custom made streetable/removable front splitter, Run-Cool hood Louvers
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