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RODEO
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« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2006, 11:38:48 PM »

so has anyone actually removed the bushing from the shifter?† i didn't want to try to take it off, is it easy to pop off?

I've only put it back on, never tried taking it off though. It goes on with a moderate/good snap. If it's lubed, it should pop off without a problem.

In your position, I'd throw a washer under it, pop it back in, and you should be good to go!

let us know!
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« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2006, 02:17:49 AM »

yeah, i'm going to head over to home depot after class, i'll let you know.  here's to taking off the console, again.
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« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2006, 07:04:00 PM »

So i yank everything off, again.  Try to place the washer in, (too big, have to go back to get a smaller one) no luck.  I then touch all the visible bolts.  And to my surprise, were extremely loose (could turn them with my hand).  I tightened the rears up and the ones that are more forward (nearly impossible to get to) as much as possible by hand (i have a tiny wrench, no luck).



They are the 4 in the pic that are bolted in, the 3 that hold the shifter in place were also very loose.  I can see that the strain of the bushing on the end of the shifter is stressing it out alot, wearing it down, or warping it so it's not as crisp as factory, in some cases it actually breaks.  I think i will order a new bushing.  I believe that it is due to the bolts being so loose that everything is moving around more than it should.  After tightening everything up, the transmission is super crisp like the day I bought it.  There is still some play in the stick, only a little.  This is where the bushing comes in, it is now screwed up and needs to be replaced, not fixed with a washer, it's not needed, just tighten everything up.  Like Quad3d@work said, it's like a 5 year old girl was on the assembly lines tightening up all the bolts, or it could be from vibration.  I have a little over 30k on the odometer, so it's more than likely its the vibration over time.  Still, that shouldn't happen.  I can't say the same for those of you whose bushing actually broke.
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« Reply #48 on: May 17, 2006, 02:53:03 AM »

I had shifting problems with our 10AE when new.  Couldn't find the next gear...

Checked turret oil (jokes on me, no turret oil on the 6 speed).

Our bolts were very loose. Just barely started on the first thread. Lubed the shifter (it was dry) and bolted it back together. Big change.  Didn't know about the washer/spacer--until I read this forum!

Loose shifter bolts. I've found it on other 6 speeds too.

BTW there was a lot of antagonism in the miataforum then. But people with trannies that shift well can't begin to understand how bad it is to have one that doesn't shift well.

Thanks all here for your posts.

Regards,
Dave
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« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2006, 04:02:49 PM »

News from a Canadian 04 maiata speed owner. My stick shift got hard to shift last week and thanks to this forum, I was able to bring pictures to the dealer and they ordered a new bushing right away and installed it. It now works great again. The dealership has sent in a report to mazda Canada to let them know the problem exists.

Allen
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« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2006, 03:19:43 AM »

Ok just an update I had the bushing pop off mine and as per mazdatech's fix used a 20mm flatwasher and 10mm hole and 2mm thick.† Well went to Home depot and got these 3/8" flatwasher (measured out to 20mm 10mm hole 1mm thick so I used two stacked) Crappy pic off my phone:


Did the trick my shifter is back to the way it was from day one YIPPPPPPEEEEE† † †dancenana† †Had slowly come off and I didn't really notice how bad it had gotten til I read this post and fixed it!!!!

Rich
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« Reply #51 on: January 25, 2007, 02:01:56 AM »

Iíve got a lot of play in my shifter so tomorrow Iím going to pulling it and taken a look to see if the lower ball bushing is broke or just simply slipped off. Hopefully Itís just slipped off like Iíve read on numerous post, but if it is broke Iím wonder if anyone has actually order the correct part and if so what the part # is?
The problem Iím running into is that while there a numerous great postings about this issue I can only see one post that actually list a specific part number (see below).

http://mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php?topic=6744.msg67987#msg67987

But this is contradicted by the below post.

http://mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php?topic=321.ms2111#msg2111

So is part # 039817462A the correct part or not? Hopefully Iím over killing and it just be slipped off, but if broken I want to get the correct part the first time.

Thanks!
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Transmission: 2001 5 Speed Tranny with Miata Roadster short shifter and Motorcraft Full synthetic XT-M5-QS fluid
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Suspension: Tein Flex coil-overs Front 392lb/in / Rear 336lb/in
Tires: Hankook Ventus RS3 225/45/15
Wheels: 949racing 15x8 6UL nickel
Gauges: AutoMeter #3401 Boost / AutoMeter #4355 Water temp / AutoMeter #4356 Oil Temp / Snow Performance Water-Meth gauge / AEM WB gauge attached to a UEGO WBO2
Interior: Hard Dog DD M2 Sports Bar // Lo-Tek Dual Gauge A pillar
Exterior: Shark Attack II antenna / LLumar window tinting (30%F/20%R)
Protection: Passport Escort 9500ci w/ laser shifting
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« Reply #52 on: January 26, 2007, 12:05:34 AM »

Iíve got a lot of play in my shifter so tomorrow Iím going to pulling it and taken a look to see if the lower ball bushing is broke or just simply slipped off. Hopefully Itís just slipped off like Iíve read on numerous post, but if it is broke Iím wonder if anyone has actually order the correct part and if so what the part # is?
The problem Iím running into is that while there a numerous great postings about this issue I can only see one post that actually list a specific part number (see below).

http://mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php?topic=6744.msg67987#msg67987

But this is contradicted by the below post.

http://mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php?topic=321.ms2111#msg2111

So is part # 039817462A the correct part or not? Hopefully Iím over killing and it just be slipped off, but if broken I want to get the correct part the first time.

Thanks!

bagman says it is, but I don't know if he was copy/pasting the info or not from elsewhere???

I do know agro321 went thru the fix, and did the write up here, so I'd put money on that is not the right part - maybe it's the right part for the 5 speed NB? So, I don't know.

I had the prob a couple of times, and mine was never broken.

good luck, and if you do end up confirming the right part number, be sure to post.
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« Reply #53 on: January 26, 2007, 02:20:13 AM »

Thanks for the response. I did it today and luckily mine was just off like everyone elseís. I put it back on and used the washer trick (listed in previous posting on this subject) and BOY what a difference in shifting. I didnít think I could enjoy driving the MSM more but now I do!  cheesy
Crisp and clean shifting, what a difference!
If anyone has had a broken bushing please post with correct part #, it will help others on the board.
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2004 MSM TI #1725 /228RWHP 236TQ on a Mustang Dyno (estimated 251RWHP on a Dynojet dyno) NOTE Ė this was at 12 PSI boost now running 15 PSI
Engine: full Deadbolt turbo upgrade (all options) / AWR Engine Mounts 70 durometer / FM Stage II Cooling Fans / Koyo 37mm Aluminum Radiator with Koyo 18.5 PSI cap / FM Oil Cooler / Snow Performance Stage II Meth Injection w/safe Injection device / Full FM Intake kit (MAF delete)/ Hallman Pro RX MBC / Turbosmart Kompact VTA BOV w/filter / 28"x6.5"X2 3/8" FMIC / Mazda turbo PCV/ Magnecor 8.5mm Wire Set / Braille B3121 21lbs battery / BeatRush radiator cooling panel / BeatRush aluminum under panel / Red Line full synthetic 10W-30 oil
Fuel: 550cc R.C. Injectors / Walbro 255 LPH Fuel Pump
Transmission: 2001 5 Speed Tranny with Miata Roadster short shifter and Motorcraft Full synthetic XT-M5-QS fluid
Differential: Red Line Syn 75W90 / Energy Suspension differential mount bushings
Clutch: ACT Xtreme ZM2-XTSS / SS braided clutch line
Exhaust: FM Downpipe with Magnaflow cat back exhaust
Brakes: DRT slotted rotors / EBC ďRed StuffĒ pads / Goodridge SS lines
Engine management: Hydra 2.6 ECU w/wideband
Suspension: Tein Flex coil-overs Front 392lb/in / Rear 336lb/in
Tires: Hankook Ventus RS3 225/45/15
Wheels: 949racing 15x8 6UL nickel
Gauges: AutoMeter #3401 Boost / AutoMeter #4355 Water temp / AutoMeter #4356 Oil Temp / Snow Performance Water-Meth gauge / AEM WB gauge attached to a UEGO WBO2
Interior: Hard Dog DD M2 Sports Bar // Lo-Tek Dual Gauge A pillar
Exterior: Shark Attack II antenna / LLumar window tinting (30%F/20%R)
Protection: Passport Escort 9500ci w/ laser shifting
_________________________________________________________
My other car Ė 2013 Mustang GT Premium w/track package /FRPP ProCal Tune / 6MT w/Barton Shifter & 2 post bracket & shift knob / American Thunder Axle Back / Eibach Pro Springs / BMR Adjustable PHB / JLT oil separators / K&N air filter / Sound Tube delete / Stubby Antenna
RODEO
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« Reply #54 on: January 26, 2007, 02:23:58 AM »

Thanks for the response. I did it today and luckily mine was just off like everyone elseís. I put it back on and used the washer trick (listed in previous posting on this subject) and BOY what a difference in shifting. I didnít think I could enjoy driving the MSM more but now I do!  cheesy
Crisp and clean shifting, what a difference!
If anyone has had a broken bushing please post with correct part #, it will help others on the board.

good to hear it worked out fer ya!
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« Reply #55 on: January 30, 2007, 03:44:32 AM »


They are the 4 in the pic that are bolted in, the 3 that hold the shifter in place were also very loose.† I can see that the strain of the bushing on the end of the shifter is stressing it out alot, wearing it down, or warping it so it's not as crisp as factory, in some cases it actually breaks.† I think i will order a new bushing.† I believe that it is due to the bolts being so loose that everything is moving around more than it should.† After tightening everything up, the transmission is super crisp like the day I bought it.† There is still some play in the stick, only a little.† This is where the bushing comes in, it is now screwed up and needs to be replaced, not fixed with a washer, it's not needed, just tighten everything up.† Like Quad3d@work said, it's like a 5 year old girl was on the assembly lines tightening up all the bolts, or it could be from vibration.† I have a little over 30k on the odometer, so it's more than likely its the vibration over time.† Still, that shouldn't happen.† I can't say the same for those of you whose bushing actually broke.

Hmm that is exactly what happened to mine except it started to leak fluid, it was so lose.  Mine has less than 6k on the odometer so I bet it was a problem from the factory
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« Reply #56 on: March 04, 2007, 03:03:05 PM »

I did mine yesterday.  As you can see from the picture, the bushing had come off.  Getting the assembly back in was a PITA.  It shifts like a dream now...I can find 5th and 6th!

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« Reply #57 on: March 04, 2007, 05:12:20 PM »

This has happened to me 3 times, first time was my fault (slamming into reverse too fast) and the other 2 was my brother.  it really is a PITA to get that bushing back in there once on the shifter

I tell anyone who drives my car to put it in reverse very slow
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RODEO
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« Reply #58 on: March 04, 2007, 05:24:01 PM »

I had it happen 3 times in my VR, within 2500 miles, but not once in the Ti within 5000 miles. It happened in the Vr while driving normally.

i can't explain why it happened to one and not the other.

Try the washer under the bushing trick!

HTH!
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« Reply #59 on: March 05, 2007, 06:01:01 AM »

I had it happen 3 times in my VR, within 2500 miles, but not once in the Ti within 5000 miles. It happened in the Vr while driving normally.

i can't explain why it happened to one and not the other.

Try the washer under the bushing trick!

HTH!


Hmmm that is very weird... which one was built first?  Did you drive both the same way?
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