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Author Topic: Wagon Wheels Beat Me Up  (Read 4956 times)
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sajack
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« on: February 20, 2005, 01:27:20 PM »

I made a 500 mile trip yesterday, a goodly portion of it on curvy, uneven backroads. I made the same exact trip 3 months ago, the only difference being that it was on my 15" 1999 alloys. This time I did it with the MSM factory 17" "wagon wheels". I suffered no ill effects with the 15s, but this time with the 17s, I feel as if I have been run over by a truck.
My hatred for the 17s continues.
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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2005, 01:42:35 PM »

What tires and side wall sizes? Jim
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2005, 02:40:22 PM »

195/50/15 Yoko ES-100s vs. 215/40/17 Toyos
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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2005, 03:25:47 PM »

I think the tight suspension coupled with the low profile tires makes for a kidney bruising ride.  I am glad we have smooth roads in south jersey

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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2005, 04:21:40 PM »

Ride-wise, the factory 17" are okay around town and on interstate, but the 500 miler, which included secondary roads took its toll on me. Next time, I`ll do it with the 15s.
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2005, 05:50:56 PM »

I picked up a slightly used MSM in Las Vegas and drove to the San Franciisco area with no negative effect.  It was a bonzai run with only stops for fuel (I does use a fair amount of fuel at high speed).  Some of the roads around Bakersfield and Mohavie are in rough shape.  I  guess I am so used to stiff suspensions and low profile tires that maybe I don't know any better.  I thought I would miss the cruise control, but actually I didn't.   I rather enjoyed the trip...pick up car in Vegas at 7pm, hit the road at 8pm,, park in my driveway at 3:30 am 572 miles later.
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2005, 01:27:56 PM »

I think the tight suspension coupled with the low profile tires makes for a kidney bruising ride. I am glad we have smooth roads in south jersey

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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2005, 10:46:11 PM »

I used to live in Manhattan, with relatives over in Jersey.  My memory was that the south Jersey roads were probably maintained by the Mafia.  At a discount... rolleyes
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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2005, 08:24:38 PM »

The stock toyos are pretty stiff.  I am sure the 17's would be easier on you with t1-s tires, but I agree that 15 rims would make the MSM a much better highway ride.  My 96 has them (on 14) and the ride is very smooth (although other than tire noise my 96 is really noisy compared to the MSM).  I imagine in the MSM 15" T1-s will be smooth, handle good and in general make the Miata a good GT (for a Miata at least).
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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2005, 08:41:45 PM »

I am going to change out my Kumho MXes. They were just too rough, vibration, trameling.. especially until they warmed up, which seems to take an excessively long time. Even though the MXes were 205/50/15s the stock 20/40/17 Toyos were much smoother on the freeway. Even at their best the MXes tend to make the MSM buck around on the freeway.

When cold the MXes would tramline all over the place, and the steering wheel would shake in your hand.. once they warmed up they were better but what was a very stable car at speed required way too much attention. So anyway I am now looking at possibly Avion M500s, or Michelin Exalto P2s.. My intent from the beginning was for my MSM to be more of a GT fast touring car than an autox specialist. Going to 15" wheels really has had its downsides when it comes to tire selection. The the short gearing on the MSM means you really can't afford to go below 23 inches on the tire diameter.

Too bad the Goodyears F1s are not available in a 205/50... they are just too short in 195, and I am not really interested in a 55 series tire. I had bad experiences with Toyos T1s gettting rediculously noisy after a few thousand miles or I would put a set of Toyos T1s on the car.. as I like the ride, grip wet and dry... and can easily live with the softer turn in. The Goodyears are better in almost every area over the Toyos except weight.. alas I have to go out an pioneer something. This has turned into another expensive adventure. Fortunately I have virtually no miles on the Kumhos and have them sold to be used for an autoxer.  Unfortunately the mounting and balancing dollars $$$ I spent for roadforce balancing are just wasted..
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