Keith
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« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2007, 07:16:32 PM » |
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This isn't really the place to answer detailed questions about individual orders, as I don't check the forum every day. I've been at the track all morning, I don't know what's going on.
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Keith Tanner
Author of How To Build A High Performance Mazda Miata
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LateralSpeed
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« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2007, 08:02:10 PM » |
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Ok.
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 Current ^ '05 RX8 - Stock on 19's '04 VR MSM #1370 born on 3/9/04 - Missed on the weekends FM Downpipe-running open downpipe | FM Intake | FM TB inlet pipe | Boost cut bypass | FM MBC 12psi | TPS mod | 27x7x2.5 FMIC | GFB VTA BOV | Falken Azeniz rt615 215/40/17 | Autometer boost gauge | Passport Escort 9500i | removed visors | 305cc Injectors waiting to be installed... |
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turboroadster
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« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2007, 02:52:12 PM » |
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I'm about to order from FM... but can't set my mind about what path to take..
I'd really like to set the rev limit higher, but what else is the major pros about starting with Hydra...?
I first thought I should do what the guide says,
but maybe the power of the car is nice enough at the beginning?
I'm seeking better acceleration first of all, but driveability is a good second...
Any thoughts from you who have been there?
Does this path make sense? :
1. Hydra
2. IC
3. Intake (complete)
4. Downpipe and Exhaust
(I may do 2,3 and 4 as number 2...)
What gauges should one have, and where do people place them?
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Keith
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« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2007, 02:57:05 PM » |
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Obviously the guide isn't set in stone. The Hydra will let you raise your rev limit, will make the whole car smoother and will improve throttle response. The reason it's not #1 on the list is that it's very expensive relative to the other choices, and you still have a restrictive intake and exhaust. If you're planning to build further, you can certainly install the Hydra first.
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Keith Tanner
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KingSpeed
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« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2007, 05:32:13 PM » |
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Or you can do 2 easy steps. 1. hydra 2. FMII turbo system  If I had a chance to do it all over again I would have done this and called it a day. |
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260 whp @ 11 psi on e85 using mustang dyno BEFORE built motor.
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awdieee
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« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2007, 06:11:41 PM » |
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Or you can do 2 easy steps. 1. hydra 2. FMII turbo system If I had a chance to do it all over again I would have done this and called it a day. Well said! |
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Keith
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« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2007, 08:35:34 PM » |
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Boy, you guys laughed at me when I gave that as a legitimate option a few years back.
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Keith Tanner
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KingSpeed
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« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2007, 08:40:38 PM » |
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Its more of a legitimate option now that we found out how much of a POS turbo we really had compared to other turbo factory cars. Besides, I would rather run the new kits from either you guys or begi since their have alot of improvements and more choices for the turbo kits. A couple of years back the MSM was new and it took time to see what problems would come up years later.
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Too much to list.
260 whp @ 11 psi on e85 using mustang dyno BEFORE built motor.
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turboroadster
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« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2007, 09:05:38 PM » |
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Where I live, the "state car-supervision" is very conservative...
so to build an insane power-miata would just make me a nervous wreck
...after beeing afraid of getting caught all the time...
...not to mention what it would cost to actually get caught...
just to mention another thing... an MSM cost around 44K - 47K over here...
almost half of it is taxes... the rest is shipping and stuff, and the price for the car in the US
thats the laws in Norway... but then... we have lots of free social benefits
Anyway... when completed the Big Enchilada... I think it's more than enough power...
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« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2007, 11:15:21 AM » |
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Keith, lets say I was ready to go the Big Enchilada route? I already have the full intake , GFB Recirc along with a Hallman . Do you have anyone you work with in the NY, NJ, CT area that can install it for me>?
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RB Turbo Exhaust, Full FM Intake, GFB BOV, Hallman Pro MBC (10.5PSI)Toyo T1-Rs
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« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2007, 11:33:08 AM » |
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Do you have anyone you work with in the NY, NJ, CT area that can install it for me>?
Look here http://www.flyinmiata.com/support/installers.aspKen Hill is an ex-FM employee living in PA now Seth used to work for Bill when Bill ran Dealer Alternative in NJ before it became FM in Colorado |
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Larry 4 Miatas but who's counting!!  White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo (Gone but not forgotten) Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2 J.R. M45 Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5 #403 of 4000 Subie 2006 Steel Gray WRX STi Cobb Stage 2 (Gone but not forgotten) No name yet 2008 Velocity Yellow Tintcoat Z06 Corvette No Name yet 2014 Ashen Grey Metallic Camaro 2SS 1LE “There are only three sports: mountain climbing, bull fighting, and motor racing. All the rest are merely games.” – Ernest Hemingway |
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kvolkan
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« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2007, 10:00:01 PM » |
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Hi Keith,
I am a new MSM owner and I have been following this thread closely and would like to upgrade my car. My big concern is that I live in California and worry about having to undo everything for smog checks. Do you have an upgrade path for CA MSM owners. Any chance some of the stuff in the kit will get CARB approval?
By the way I had a great demonstration why the IC would be a good to have. We had a couple of 90+ days last week (with the fires and all). It felt like the turbo wasn't working at all. Yesterday the temps dropped. I got up early in the am and took the car out. What a difference - felt like a real turbo! (BTW what is the deal with the stock tires? - It felt like I was running on the rims for the first 5 minutes until they warmed up).
Kevin
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Keith
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« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2007, 02:15:38 PM » |
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We do not have any plans to seek CARB exemption for any of the MSM parts. All of the visible parts are quickly and easily removed. If you install a Hydra, you will have to remove that along with the larger injectors unless you can find a smog tech who is willing to test the tailpipe emissions only.
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turboroadster
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« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2007, 03:20:07 PM » |
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We do not have any plans to seek CARB exemption for any of the MSM parts. All of the visible parts are quickly and easily removed. If you install a Hydra, you will have to remove that along with the larger injectors unless you can find a smog tech who is willing to test the tailpipe emissions only.
In Norway, they only test the emissions by putting a sensor in the tail-pipe, does this mean we do not have the same testing as in California (or other states in north America?) how's the testing done "over there" ? |
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SilverMiataRacer
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« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2007, 03:27:23 PM » |
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Emmisions testing varies from state to state and city to city in the US. Where I live in South Carolina we have no testing at all. In California they have very strict rules about modifying the cars without using approved parts (CARB).
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Larry 4 Miatas but who's counting!! White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo (Gone but not forgotten) Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2 J.R. M45 Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5 #403 of 4000 Subie 2006 Steel Gray WRX STi Cobb Stage 2 (Gone but not forgotten) No name yet 2008 Velocity Yellow Tintcoat Z06 Corvette No Name yet 2014 Ashen Grey Metallic Camaro 2SS 1LE “There are only three sports: mountain climbing, bull fighting, and motor racing. All the rest are merely games.” – Ernest Hemingway |
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