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Author Topic: Mazdaspeed upgrade guide on FM website  (Read 74486 times)
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« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2007, 06:14:31 PM »



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« Reply #46 on: December 14, 2007, 06:27:27 AM »

So why does FM choose to not get their mods CARB approved? Weren't most of the MSM's sold in California? What can we do to help get these CARB approved? Let's go mod by mod about the difficulty of approval and see where we can go here. I'd start with the FM O2 mod and go from there.

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« Reply #47 on: December 14, 2007, 06:29:37 AM »




    Because its a very expensive to go through the carb process and the profits are minimal.  Its not like a honda where you can make a ton of cash.
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« Reply #48 on: December 14, 2007, 11:23:54 AM »

It's expensive, there are only 5000 of the cars total, it takes a lot of time.  The other makers that have CARB parts for the car probably linked the CARB testing to an existing model and didn't have to do the complete thing.  And why do you think most of these cars are in CA??
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« Reply #49 on: December 14, 2007, 03:16:15 PM »

Very expensive and very time consuming, yes. The newer the car, the more expensive it is. Heck, Racing Beat found they couldn't even get a stock 2001 to pass the tests!

The Hydra would never get approved.
The O2 mod would probably not make it through either, I suspect that behavior is programmed into the car for emissions purposes. However, an O2 mod is pretty much undetectable.
Intake we could probably get through without a boost controller.
Intercooler should not be a problem.
Exhaust post-cat doesn't matter, so consider it approved.
Downpipe, I don't know. I don't know what's involved with aftermarket catalytic converters and CARB.
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« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2007, 05:16:18 AM »

Man am I lucky I live in Florida! Two cars ago I had the exhaust running dump right out of the headers(no cats/resonators ect)... loud as all H*LL!! Not to mention, definitely NOT emissions legal lol.
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« Reply #51 on: February 29, 2008, 10:43:17 PM »

Since we get a lot of questions on a recommended order of modification, we've added a guide to our site.

Flyin' Miata MSM upgrade path

The first 4 can be shuffled around somewhat, but that's the order we think works best. Questions? Give us a call.

Hi Keith,

A quick question...I have the big enchilada package ordered for my 2005 MSM and I had a question regarding boost and whp I can expect. The Web site said around 240 whp - but, others thought that may be an old number when the package included a turbo upgrade as well.

So my question is - what whp can I expect (with the entire package - including hydra and injectors) with the stock turbo. And, in regards to dyno tuning...what do you think is a safe boost to run without prematurely deteriorating the engine.

Thanks for your help. -- Paulie Smiley
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« Reply #52 on: March 01, 2008, 01:06:49 AM »

We used to quote 265 for the modified turbo package. 220-240 is reasonable for the stock turbo. You're going to find that it doesn't really benefit you to go above 12 psi.
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« Reply #53 on: April 23, 2008, 01:53:29 AM »

Hi Keith,

The Big Enchilada Package. The directions were great. With a good tune we ended up with 213 WHP and 206 Ft-Lb of torque at 12 psi with a good tune. Running on 94 Octane Gas.

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« Reply #54 on: April 23, 2008, 02:30:49 AM »

What kind of dyno? Atmospheric conditions? Did your tuner tell you what he felt the limiting factor was? I suspect there's a few more horses to be had.
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« Reply #55 on: April 24, 2008, 02:58:33 AM »

Hi Keith - the tuning was done here http://www.ipsmotorsports.net/

The technician that did it specializes in the Hydra and works at Lamoborghini Ohio.

The run conditions were 64.56 F with 15% humidity. He said they couldn't achieve more power without boosting a lot higher, and as you advised before - we probably did not want to go over 12 psi.

Is there a big difference between dyno numbers?
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« Reply #56 on: January 04, 2009, 06:08:37 AM »

Keith,

I have a question regarding some of the dyno charts for the downpipe/mid pipe/exhaust and the complete intake kit.

When compared with the stock Mazdaspeed, the down/midpipe and exhaust showed a nice gain across the entire rev range but when the complete intake kit was added more gains were realized after 3500rpm. Would the intake kit help a stock Mazdaspeed at less that 4000 rpm just like the downpipe back kit combo did? Just curious as I couldn't find a dyno of the complete intake Vs stock.

Also - as I live in California, what's the best antiseize to use on the exhaust bolts for ease of removal prior to smog testing? PB Blaster works great if you spray it for a couple of days before hand - but I'd prefer not to have to go through that process.

Personally, I'd prefer to turbo my 99 Sport but I can't find a turbo kit that's got a CARB EO# so I'm looking at a Mazdaspeed.... if you just happen to have something then I'd be most interested to hear about it.

Thanks in advance,

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« Reply #57 on: January 05, 2009, 04:15:21 AM »

I don't think we ever dynoed the intake alone, simply because the downpipe was already on the market by the time we developed that part and we never removed it from our car.

The turbo spool isn't as affected by the intake restriction as it is by a restrictive downpipe, which is why you see the gains at the top end when the stock intake becomes a choke point. I would expect a slight increase below 4000, but the downpipe will have a greater effect there.

Those exhaust bolts are mechanical locking units. Corrosion is not your biggest problem, and I'm not convinced antiseize will survive the temperatures involved. However, the downpipe is pretty much invisible when installed and the catalytic converter is a three-way, just like stock.

We do not have any kits with CARB EOs. None of our MSM parts have EOs either.
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« Reply #58 on: January 06, 2009, 05:28:27 AM »

That's good to know about the exhaust bolts that hookup to the top of the downpipe. Many thanks for that bit of info!

I'm just thinking about what a pain in the rear it's going to be come smog time that's all. It seems as though down here in sunny CA they're anti-Miata when it comes to emissions testing. I've always have to take my 94 and 99 miatas to the Test Only places for full visual and indepth test. Not just a quick peek under the hook and a tester up the tailpipe - they check timing and everything! It was quite a surprise when the girl at the smog place knew exactly where the hookup for the aux power for her timing light, where to jumper and the different coloured dots on the crank pulley were for! I guess shes done this a few times before!

Does the downpipe look very similar to stock? I could deal with swapping the intake kit and last half of the exhaust but I know from experience with my Cali-smog equiped 99 Sport that downpipes are just a pain in the ass to remove and the studs in the bottom of the first cat are a pain to replace.

I'm desperatly trying to find ways to keep the smog Nazi's happy but not have to get a used S2000, Boxster S or Vette in order to get some more get up and go on my 45 mile each way comute. A boy needs more fun on the freeway at 5am when there's no traffic.  afro

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« Reply #59 on: January 06, 2009, 08:30:37 AM »

I'm just thinking about what a pain in the rear it's going to be come smog time that's all. It seems as though down here in sunny CA they're anti-Miata when it comes to emissions testing.

I'm desperatly trying to find ways to keep the smog Nazi's happy but not have to get a used S2000, Boxster S or Vette in order to get some more get up and go on my 45 mile each way comute. A boy needs more fun on the freeway at 5am when there's no traffic.  afro

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Tell me about the police and CARB...bleh...  >.<  I'll have to worry about smog for my 2010 sticker...
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